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clinker

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
Feb 15, 2017 - 09:05pm PT

Egad!
Bruce Morris

Trad climber
Belmont, California
Feb 15, 2017 - 09:15pm PT
It isn't any accident that Adolf Hitler's strongest supporters came from the police departments in Bavaria.

Scratch a Jesus freak and you'll always find a Republican.
Norton

Social climber
Feb 15, 2017 - 09:30pm PT
Curt, you are in my prayers, as hard as it is...

ha

good one Jody,
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Feb 16, 2017 - 02:31am PT
Not so sure having Jody prey on you is a good thing
zBrown

Ice climber
Feb 16, 2017 - 07:02am PT
Really? One step at a time.

Divided they fell: the German left and the rise of Hitler

Brutal attacks and murders of well-known anti-fascist activists followed immediately after Hitler’s ascension to power. Hit most quickly and most heavily by Nazi repression was the Communist Party (KPD). Nazi thugs stormed and closed the KPD headquarters, the Karl Liebknecht House, on 23 February 1933 and banned their newspaper, Die Rote Fahne, a few days later. The burning of parliament on 27 February was used to justify yet another wave of terror against the left. Over 1,500 Communists were arrested that night in Berlin alone. Unable to fit so many political prisoners into the existing prison system, the Nazis erected the first concentration camps during this wave of repression. The last federal elections were held on 6 March: despite the Nazi repression, the KPD still received 12.3 percent (4.8 million votes) and the Social Democratic Party (SPD) 18.3 percent (7.3 million votes). The Nazis had not received an absolute majority, but were able to form a cabinet together with a right wing party. Hitler forced through the so-called “Enabling Act” in the same month, giving the government the right to pass laws contrary to the constitution. The Communists were not able to participate in parliament by that time, as most deputies had either gone underground or had already been arrested by the Nazis. As it was, the SPD was the only party in parliament to vote against the Enabling Act—every bourgeois party voted in favour. Germany’s march towards a fascist dictatorship could no longer be halted.

In 1971, General Idi Amin overthrew the elected government of Milton Obote and declared himself president of Uganda, launching a ruthless eight-year regime in which an estimated 300,000 civilians were massacred. His expulsion of all Indian and Pakistani citizens in 1972—along with increasing military expenditures—brought about the country’s economic decline, the impact of which lasted decades. In 1979 his reign of terror came to an end as Ugandan exiles and Tanzanians took control of the capital of Kampala, forcing Amin to flee. Never brought to justice for his heinous crimes, Amin lived out the remainder of his life in Saudi Arabia.
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Feb 16, 2017 - 07:39am PT
So does a cop killing black people.

Curt that is not very nice. Jody may have his head up his rear politically, in my opinion, but I do not think he likes to see people die. I do not know how good of LEO he is or has been, but he is a damn fine photographer, not that it has to do with anything about this thread or topic.

He will learn, remember, this is the guy who had his photo taken with Cruz and praised Cruz.

I just find it sort of amusing that the Trump supporters and/or Hillary haters say us libtards are crying and for us to get over it. I mean, for Spicer to tell the media to shut up, who does he think he is? Of course Trump and his band of merry pranksters would love the media to shut up, for leaks to be stopped and for Trump to enjoy a glorious reign.

If the shoe was on the other foot...

It seems to me that the Trumpettes are crying as much about the libtards crying. It is one big cry fest.

What an effing circus it has turned into. In some ways I think Trump loves all the whoop ta hoo. The new PT Barnum.
zBrown

Ice climber
Feb 16, 2017 - 07:41am PT
Is Trump as bad as Hitler and Amin? Not yet. But only time will tell.

He has all the earmarks. Luckily for us there are restraints in this country that were not in place in Germany and Uganda.

If there is some kind of meltdown, then surely you can direct our attention (achtung) to the puddle, right?






Mark Force

Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
Feb 16, 2017 - 07:46am PT
The fact that he has made so many on the left so angry means he is doing something right.

Yer a funny guy, Jody!
Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Feb 16, 2017 - 07:57am PT
^^^^^ Investigating the leaks is fine, my problem is that the leaks are the ONLY thing Republicans care to investigate. They only care how the Press found out about Trump staffers talking with Russian intelligence agents, not that they did in fact collude with them.

Curt
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Feb 16, 2017 - 08:02am PT
Quite the opposite Wade.

oh yeah I forgot about all those times you've spoken up for human rights, freedom of the press, right to peaceable protest...doing the lord's work every day. Onward Christian Soldier!


jonnyrig

climber
Feb 16, 2017 - 09:38am PT
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kunlun_shan

Mountain climber
SF, CA
Feb 16, 2017 - 09:52am PT
Trump to hold another rally this weekend.

Scientific American has an interesting (and long) article about Trump and how his events employ "a masterful use of group psychology principles". Something has to explain the "Emperor has no clothes" phenomena...

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/trump-rsquo-s-appeal-what-psychology-tells-us

Anatomy of a Rally

A Trump rally involved much more than just a Trump speech. Important though his words were (and we will look at them in some detail), it is even more essential to look at the event as a performance of a particular worldview. Once again, the charge of irrationalism can serve to obscure because if we view Trump's crowds as mindless mobs led by primitive urges and stirred up by a narcissistic demagogue, as many critics have done, it impairs our ability to appreciate what his events tell us about how those who attended them see the world.

In simple terms, a Trump rally was a dramatic enactment of a specific vision of America. It enacted how Trump and his followers would like America to be. In a phrase, it was an identity festival that embodied a politics of hope.

A rally would start long before Trump's arrival. Indeed, the long wait for the leader was part and parcel of the performance. This staged delay affected the self-perception of the audience members (“If I am prepared to wait this long, this event and this leader must be important to me”). It affected the ways audience members saw one another (“If others are prepared to wait this long, this event and the leader must be important to them”). And it thereby set up a norm of devotion in the crowd and a sense of shared identity among crowd members (“We are joined together in our devotion to this movement”).

The wait also provided time for other ritualized acts that helped to shape the audience's worldview. As Guilford described it, Trump's security procedures were more rigorous than those of any other candidate. At every venue, the audience had to pass through a metal detector. Inside, highly visible security agents abounded. They fanned out, their backs to the stage, and purposefully made eye contact with audience members, checking for intruders. Audience members joined in the exercise. A person did not have to express overt opposition to be deemed suspect; just failing to show sufficient enthusiasm could draw others' hostile attention.

About an hour before Trump would speak, a message broadcast over the PA system instructed crowd members not to touch any protesters they spotted. Rather they were told to notify security by chanting, “Trump! Trump! Trump!” Though often a false alarm, this cry would go up repeatedly. When it happened, the entire audience was alerted to possible enemies in their midst. As a result of these various tactics, crowd members were induced to act as if they were under threat—and observing themselves and others behaving in this way only served to reinforce the presumption that they truly were under threat, from enemies both without and within.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Feb 16, 2017 - 09:53am PT

How I escaped being a right-wing extremist

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/02/how-i-escaped-being-a-right-wing-extremist/

How do you change the mind of a right-wing extremist in America today? How do you change the mind of a diehard Trump voter? You don’t. It’s a waste of your time and you have better things to do. We are not going to unite as a country anytime soon after what has happened.

I was raised in the ’80s to be a right-wing extremist like my father. I was sent to an extreme right-wing (John Birch Society) summer camp where I was brainwashed to be a heartless, paranoid conservative, just like my dad. I used to believe that homosexuals, atheists, immigrants, liberals and anyone who wasn’t white like us, were out to take away our rights as good, god-fearing Americans. When I heard the words humanist, environmentalist, feminist, educated, and equal or civil rights, I’d get irritated, suspicious and angry.

I was taught that if someone challenged my statements or beliefs, they did so because they were scared or intimidated and afraid of the cold hard truth. I was taught that liberals and Democrats were brainwashed and trained to ignore the truths regarding what was really going on in America. Arguing with a liberal was a complete waste of time, my dad would say. They were too dumb, too brainwashed and there was no way we could change their minds. Every time someone argued with me about anything, I felt contempt. I felt ridiculed. I felt like they were telling me I was stupid and wrong. I felt they were telling me that my parents and everything I knew to be true was a lie. Just having someone argue with me or having my point of view challenged made me angry, regardless of the facts presented. I was taught not to believe your facts.

read more at link
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Feb 16, 2017 - 09:58am PT
Locker, Anderson captures perfectly well there in your post just how I often feel over on the Mind thread. lol
Gnome Ofthe Diabase

climber
Out Of Bed
Feb 16, 2017 - 09:59am PT
Just in case you all missed the chance to learn what is be-falling us right now:
from Professor zBrown


Feb 16, 2017 - 07:02am PT
Really? One step at a time.

Divided they fell: the German left and the rise of Hitler

Brutal attacks and murders of well-known anti-fascist activists followed immediately after Hitler’s ascension to power. Hit most quickly and most heavily by Nazi repression was the Communist Party (KPD). Nazi thugs stormed and closed the KPD headquarters, the Karl Liebknecht House, on 23 February 1933 and banned their newspaper, Die Rote Fahne, a few days later. The burning of parliament on 27 February was used to justify yet another wave of terror against the left. Over 1,500 Communists were arrested that night in Berlin alone. Unable to fit so many political prisoners into the existing prison system, the Nazis erected the first concentration camps during this wave of repression. The last federal elections were held on 6 March: despite the Nazi repression, the KPD still received 12.3 percent (4.8 million votes) and the Social Democratic Party (SPD) 18.3 percent (7.3 million votes). The Nazis had not received an absolute majority, but were able to form a cabinet together with a right wing party. Hitler forced through the so-called “Enabling Act” in the same month, giving the government the right to pass laws contrary to the constitution. The Communists were not able to participate in parliament by that time, as most deputies had either gone underground or had already been arrested by the Nazis. As it was, the SPD was the only party in parliament to vote against the Enabling Act—every bourgeois party voted in favour. Germany’s march towards a fascist dictatorship could no longer be halted.



In 1971, General Idi Amin overthrew the elected government of Milton Obote and declared himself president of Uganda, launching a ruthless eight-year regime in which an estimated 300,000 civilians were massacred. His expulsion of all Indian and Pakistani citizens in 1972—along with increasing military expenditures—brought about the country’s economic decline, the impact of which lasted decades. In 1979 his reign of terror came to an end as Ugandan exiles and Tanzanians took control of the capital of Kampala, forcing Amin to flee. Never brought to justice for his heinous crimes, Amin lived out the remainder of his life in Saudi Arabia.
Read it then go check the history of the third riech's rise to power, you will find many
Things similar if not the exact techniques being used by the likes of
Propagandists
Phuaxphillable fake no not truth, Buull shjt for the faithful you? To consume
Karma is a bitch for those that Deserve it!
dirtbag

climber
Feb 16, 2017 - 10:08am PT
Who was the last national leader (foreign or domestic) to hold rallies after election?


Kim Jong-un?
Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Feb 16, 2017 - 10:15am PT
Trump is giving a press conference right now, in which he just claimed the greatest electoral college victory since Ronald Reagan. Here is the reality:


Trump's electoral college victory was smaller than either of Obama's or Bill Clinton's victory margins. The guy just pulls alternate facts out of his ass.

Curt
Nibs

Trad climber
Humboldt, CA
Feb 16, 2017 - 10:28am PT
yep, just a libtard meltdown:

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/opinion/contributors/2017/02/14/republican-painter-s-time-impeach-trump/97893248/

Doubt Jody will read the editorial, but cannot honestly say it is only liberals that have issues with the administration.
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Feb 16, 2017 - 10:28am PT
So Trump's campaign was in regular contact with Russian Intelligence officers for a year. His administration hasn't denied the story, they only attack whoever leaked it.

Russia is not our friend. They are not the UK or Canada. Perhaps it has cooled enough to consider them not quite enemies these days, but they are certainly not our friends. At the least, they are rivals. At the worst, they are a country with thousands of nuclear weapons pointed at us.

We all know that they hacked the DNC. The equivalent of the Watergate break-in of the DNC headquarters by Nixon's private police force. Both involved the same thing. It only differed by method.

Regardless, breaking into a party's headquarters in this way is a felony infraction.

If Trump had any knowledge of this, or if he colluded in any way, he is finished. The transcripts of the conversations will soon be read by the Intelligence Committees. Enough serious Republicans will make sure that that happens.

We know that the FBI is still deeply investigating the Russian hack. The whole truth will come out.

How could they be so stupid? Talking not only to Russians, but talking to Russian Intelligence officers? That would be like Putin getting campaign advice from the CIA.

It was all over every news outlet yesterday, but Fox News did not even mention it. Right now we have fake news, like Alex Jones, real news like CNN, and blatantly partisan news like MSNBC and Fox News.

How could Fox News ignore this? It could bring down Trump's presidency. Conspiracy to commit a felony is not good, and that is what collusion with the Russian's over the hack would have been. Conspiracy to commit a felony. As bad as Watergate. Trump actually bragged about this during the campaign. he asked the Russians to post Hillary's 30,000 wiped emails. He should have pushed the Justice Department instead of the freaking Russians.

It will come down to what did Trump know, and when did he know it?

This will not go away. The senate won't drop it, and neither will the FBI.

I am hoping that he wasn't that stupid. Presidential crises are not good for the country.
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Feb 16, 2017 - 10:45am PT
Trump keeps bragging about his "electoral college landslide."

He lost the popular vote, by quite a bit. So did George W Bush. Gore won the popular vote. Only 5 presidents have been elected by the electoral college and lost the popular vote: John Quincy Adams, Rutherford B. Hayes, Benjamin Harrison, George W. Bush, and Donald Trump.

It didn't bother George W. Bush, and quickly people accepted him as president. If Trump would just drop the "3 million fake voters" claim, people would forget about it within a month.

He can't do that, though. The guy is such a narcissist that he cannot accept losing the popular vote. He lost it primarily because of California alone.

We see how thin his skin is. I've never seen such a thin skinned president. He attacks little people, like the Carrier Union leader who corrected Trump on exactly how many jobs were saved. The guy was on CNN, and 20 minutes later Trump attacked him on Twitter...an ad hominem attack.

The guy needs to prioritize what matters, but just telling the truth would serve him better. He would be accepted rather quickly if he could just shut up. Lately he has only accepted questions from right wing media outlets in conversations with the press. He won't point to the NYT, CNN, or any other middle of the road media. Kelly Ann Conway isn't on TV anymore.

The last one puzzled me. Conway was a great apologist for Trump. I remember her telling CNN that Trump would not be releasing his tax returns because "the people who voted for him don't care."

I REALLY wanted to see his tax returns. With him being such a unique president, one who has business ties around the world, I wanted to see it. I still do. He darn sure would post the returns if they contained good news. There is probably something controversial in the returns. I can't think of any other reason to go back on such a regular campaign promise.

Trump has gone back on quite a few promises. He is also so bad on foreign policy that he didn't know about the 1 China policy, or the 2 state solution. Hell, I know that stuff. In short, he isn't behaving like a professional. He acts like a narcissist.
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