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dirtbag
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Sep 28, 2015 - 08:32pm PT
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Craig Fry- I'm a Democrat to the core but the absolute denial of our national debt by Paul Krugman and our leadership pisses me off!
That's not actually Krugman's position. During the recession, he believed concerns over the debt should take a back seat to spending to jump start the economy, which makes sense to me. It's not an absolute denial.
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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Sep 28, 2015 - 09:00pm PT
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Dirtbag- I remember the debate well.
Krugman advocated to spend our way out, akin to the work programs of the 30's (he has a big brain but uncommon stupidity).
The crazies wanted "Euro Austerity" (heartless bastards).
I hoped for a balanced approach, void of Idiology and driven in pragmatism (Ted Cruz's specialty). In the end, we stumbled through a fairly moderate approach that made nobody happy but staved off disaster. Had either faction had their way, we'd be screwed.
Unfunded mandates, the shift of financial burdens to the middle class and the absolute neglect of vets and the poor has to be dealt with in the next cycle, period (jump in Elizabeth).
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Sep 29, 2015 - 08:36am PT
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I was wondering how much money is at stake in the PP dust up.
The organization receives about a third of its $1.3 billion annual budget, around $450 million, from federal coffers, chiefly reimbursements for treating Medicaid's low-income patients.
Chump change to a guy like Trump. If he was smart he would agree to funding PP for $450M.
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Larry Nelson
Social climber
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Sep 29, 2015 - 09:36am PT
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MisterE wrote:
Is this a low T thing?
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Sep 29, 2015 - 10:02am PT
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Chief, man you gotta stop asking everyone for specific proof of something or other as your standard response.
You know as well as the rest of us what your general line of posting is. Nobody needs to go looking for sh#t in old threads to know where you're coming from.
You need to eat some acid and listen to some Grateful Dead!!
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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Larry Nelson
Social climber
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Sep 29, 2015 - 10:32am PT
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If ya get a chance, the Bob Weir documentary, "The Other One", is now on Netflix.
Great doc, greatest jam band ever.
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The Chief
climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
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Sep 29, 2015 - 11:36am PT
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Fk that Dead Shet!!!!!
This is more of what I am all about. These Dudes have been my favorite since they began.
This piece being my all time fav....
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Rush – Prime Mover
Basic elemental
Instinct to survive
Stirs the higher passions
Thrill to be alive
Alternating currents
In a tidewater surge
Rational resistance
To an unwise urge
Anything can happen
From the point of conception
To the moment of truth
At the point of surrender
To the burden of proof
From the point of ignition
To the final drive
The point of the journey
Is not to arrive
Anything can happen
Basic temperamental
Filters on our eyes
Alter our perceptions
Lenses polarize
Alternating currents
Force a show of hands
Rational responses
Force a change of plans
Anything can happen
From a point on the compass
To magnetic north
The point of the needle
Moving back and forth
From the point of entry
Until the candle is burned
The point of departure
Is not to return
Anything can happen
I set the wheels in motion
Turn up all the machines
Activate the programs
And run behind the scene
I set the clouds in motion
Turn up light and sound
Activate the window
And watch the world go round
Anything can happen
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Sep 29, 2015 - 12:05pm PT
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Speakin' of dead sheeit
Dino coprolite
Did The weigh it? You bet.
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dirtbag
climber
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Sep 29, 2015 - 12:08pm PT
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Contractor, as I recall, the stimulus was around .8 trillion and Krugman proposed around 1.2 or 1.3. A very large sum of money, to be sure, but a small portion of the debt, and not unreasonable given the magnitude of the immediate crisis at hand. Of course, we will never know how that would have worked.
Twp: I disagree with the conclusion, in part. While the dysfunction of the GOP might have consequences for national races like President, house members are entrenched through gerrymandering, and they are giving their constituents exactly what they want. Most will be re-elected.
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The Chief
climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
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Sep 29, 2015 - 12:43pm PT
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Carley Fiorina all but siad as much in her latest presidential debate.
And who the fk is she again?? Like she has any input on current Policy matters with the current Repug DC elected "Establishment" House of Representatives.
Ok... Try again.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Sep 29, 2015 - 12:50pm PT
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Gotta love how the right is currently jizzing themselves over Putin - I think he should declare as a repub candidate for president. Pretty sure he's the only one who could give Trump a run for his money at this point. At the very least we'll soon be seeing repub candidates trying to 'out man' one another.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Sep 29, 2015 - 01:32pm PT
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"Had either faction had their way, we'd be screwed."
I dunno...a true stimulus approach (a la Roosevelt's approach) may very well have moved the economy into a much better place, a whole lot sooner.
Instead, the Repubs just obstructed everything (McConnell's vow), knowing that if the economy actually improved, they'd never get into power. Yep, they f*#ked each and every middle class American for their own selfish 1% interests.
Why do Republicans hate Americans so much?
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The Chief
climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
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Sep 29, 2015 - 01:53pm PT
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^^^^^^That's what I thought... Nobody.
Next!
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dirtbag
climber
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Sep 29, 2015 - 01:56pm PT
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Unfortunately, I can't think of any reason why any sane person would want the Speaker job right now.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Sep 29, 2015 - 02:02pm PT
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I dunno...a true stimulus approach (a la Roosevelt's approach) may very well have moved the economy into a much better place, a whole lot sooner.
Yeah Roosevelt's approach was so great we had a decade long depression that took a world war to get out of!
No one likes to hear it, but good old fashioned belt tightening is what we need (not so much me personally, but the government and the "entitled").
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Gary
Social climber
Hell is empty and all the devils are here
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Sep 29, 2015 - 02:18pm PT
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Where's ALL them Repugs that were screaming for WAR with IRAN... Names & Dates??
John McCain:
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Scott Walker:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/bush-vs-walker-catches-fire-over-iran-nuclear-deal_994073.html?nopager=1
Speaking to reporters here Saturday after an appearance at the Family Leadership Summit, Walker said the next president will need to be prepared to take aggressive action against Iran, “very possibly” including military strikes, on the day he or she is inaugurated,
Dick Cheney:
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/dick-cheney-iran-deal-military-action
In a speech slamming President Obama's Iran deal -- which Congress is debating this week -- former Vice President Dick Cheney suggested that only the threat of military action could prevent Iran from developing a nuclear weapons program.
John Bolton:
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-bolton-iran-military-option-20150726-story.html
So the real choice we are faced with is dealing with the consequences of military action or the consequences of a nuclear Iran. Neither is palatable, but the latter is far worse. If the real objective is stopping Iran from getting nuclear weapons, preemptive military action is now inescapable.
http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2015/08/05/423372/US-Iran-Nuclear-agreement-Tom-Cotton-threat-war
Tom Cotton:
Hawkish US Senator Tom Cotton has threatened Iran with a military attack to set its nuclear program back to “day zero” despite a nuclear agreement reached between Tehran, Washington and the five world powers in Vienna last month.
“We can set them back to day zero,” Cotton told the Israel Diplomatic Correspondents Association on Tuesday. “There is no doubt that the United States has the capability to do that.”
http://dailycaller.com/2015/07/20/donald-trump-in-2007-we-have-to-strike-iran/
Donald Trump:
Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump once said that he thinks America must strike Iran, preferably through the air.
“You know, the one thing I sort of liked was what they were saying about Iran,” Trump said on MSNBC on January 12, 2007, in response to a speech President Bush gave that day on the latest developments in the war in Iraq.
“I believe you have to go in and strike Iran — not with soldiers,” Trump said. “You know, it’s not a world of soldiers anymore. It’s a world of air. It’s a world of different kinds of, you know, we’ve changed.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/12/bachmann-bomb-iran_n_6312032.html
Michele Bachmann:
At the White House holiday party for members of Congress on Monday, Bachmann had her final interaction with President Barack Obama as a member of Congress. She used the opportunity to tell the president he must bomb nuclear facilities in Iran. The Iranian government claims the country's nuclear program is for peaceful purposes, but the international community worries that the country is attempting to build a nuclear weapon.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Sep 29, 2015 - 02:32pm PT
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That is not enough,dammit.
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