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rlf
Trad climber
Josh, CA
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Aug 25, 2014 - 04:44pm PT
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I've read about 5 posts on this entire thread.
I think this thread has worked out well. Everybody is on the same page, a consensus has been reached...
What a sewer.
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anita514
Gym climber
Great White North
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Aug 25, 2014 - 04:47pm PT
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zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Aug 25, 2014 - 05:53pm PT
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Past that, 'reality' is what our instrumentation and scientific models tell us. That's all we get.
ur funny.
Well how then do you measure/model will-power and the imagination of creativity? Isn't reality supposed to be predictable? Your predicting and measuring capability would be based on the averages of past experiences. You are not able to measure the amount of Will and Creativity in the present moment. Thus you can't determine if there will be More, or Less, in the future...
With ur attitude of "if you can't measure it or model it, it's not real" how does that relate in our Evolution. How did the "real things" that differentiate a species come to be? Let's take Wings for instance. Wings are 'reality' today, because they came from the past, so they are predictably in the future. BUT, what about before there were Wing's. Where was the measurement/model for the very first animal/insect that sprouted wing's then flew? WAs the model prescribed in the 'meat'/cells which calculated the change that needed to take place to 'morph' a pair of wings? Then enlightenment struck that bird/insect's brain and caused him to say, "Oh, wing's i must be able to fly!" And off he went.
Maybe the animal that was pre-bird/flying insect 'Willed' his body to grow wing's in somekind of creative thinking? The FRog prolly Willed his legs to become longer and stronger inorder to jump higher to catch flying bugs? And his tongue longer.
Did we humans Will ourselves to become upright? Or did our DNA pre-determine it to be, or not to be? That is the question, i'll leave you with
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Aug 25, 2014 - 06:22pm PT
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continuing in the drift,
IF we human's are going to continue in the evolutionary process, how will we make that next step in changing into a more 'advanced' species?
Will the mind and 'will' cause the body to change it's DNA to morph into something else we find more advantages?
Or is our body's DNA slowly unravelling a different new advanced body and our new conscious will arrive once the body is formed?
We've all witnessed advancement in climbing. With the recent Alex Honnold phenomenon, Is his ability a credit to his parents genes?
Or is his achievements a product of Creative Will-Power accumulated from the consciousness of the entire climbing world?
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timy
Sport climber
Durango
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Aug 25, 2014 - 07:14pm PT
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Aw Jesuz Christ...
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Aug 25, 2014 - 07:29pm PT
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Once you've experienced a collapsed sewer, you never use the word in a derogatory sense ever again.
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Aug 26, 2014 - 05:00am PT
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Not on a first date, perhaps.
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Aug 26, 2014 - 08:24am PT
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Science and art require pretty much the same kinds of processes. They are falsely pitted against each other generally by people who practice neither.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Aug 27, 2014 - 10:54am PT
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I am reading Bill Bryson's In a Sunburned Country (highly recommended), and he notes at one point how the white Christians (they were about 95% Christian at the time) treated the aboriginals:
The aboriginals would be killed and butchered to be used as dog food. A wife's husband would be beheaded before her, and she would be made to wear his dismembered head around her neck. For sport, they would chase them up trees, then shoot them in the limbs until they bled to death and fell to the ground (presumably then used to feed the dogs?).
Great Christian Fun!
Point is, no religion has a stranglehold on perfect relations to others.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Aug 27, 2014 - 11:08am PT
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Point is, no religion has a stranglehold on perfect relations to others.
That's right.
So what a contradiction you are!! taking into account all your other posts on ISIS, the Caliphate and the "religion of peace" - you troll, Ken M!!!!111
Haha!!
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Aug 27, 2014 - 11:31am PT
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Bark bark! Bark! Bark bark bark!
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timy
Sport climber
Durango
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Aug 27, 2014 - 11:53am PT
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You can do all the bible study that you can cram in but if you view it from a point of questions rather than already knowing the answer, you are apt to learn something.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Aug 27, 2014 - 11:58am PT
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Alright, Tvash, I'll lay off, I get it, Ken M is your boyfriend.
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Five reasons Jesus never existed? How about ONE reason he never rose from the dead THREE days after he died? Reality.
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Aug 27, 2014 - 12:07pm PT
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I just get tired of seeing you burn the same old anti-PC (ever mis-applied) strawman on his lawn over, and over, and over....
New material, please.
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jstan
climber
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Aug 27, 2014 - 01:30pm PT
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Found some Jehovah's Witness literature in my door today. It poses three "Big Questions".
1. What is the meaning of life?
2. Is god to blame for our suffering?
3. What happens when you die?
I have found my answer to all three.
1. Life's meaning is whatever each of us makes it.
2. I have no evidence any god exists so the question is ill defined.
3. Your heart stops, your brain goes inactive and that is the end of your part of the party.
Twenty years ago I would have been very surprised to see god questioned as in question 2.
Is some doubt beginning to creep in?????????
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thebravecowboy
climber
strugglin' to make time to climb
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Aug 27, 2014 - 02:09pm PT
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Aug 27, 2014 - 07:50pm PT
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Timy - do you really believe that the #1 most significant person in history never even existed?
Are you kidding me?
Are you going to tell me that Cleopatra, Julius Caesar and George Washington never existed either? How about RamsesII?
What about the two thousand or so people who saw Jesus after his resurrection? Were they all delusional?
What about his twelve buddies, eleven of whom died rather nasty deaths defending who he was? [John was the only one who died of old age]
Would you die for a lie, Timy?
Cheers,
PTL and PTP Pete
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thebravecowboy
climber
strugglin' to make time to climb
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Aug 27, 2014 - 07:54pm PT
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Yeah dude, Jim Morrison definitely existed
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thebravecowboy
climber
strugglin' to make time to climb
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Aug 27, 2014 - 07:57pm PT
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Would you die for a lie, Timy?
better to live for one is the message I copy
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