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son of stan

Boulder climber

San Jose CA

Oct 23, 2014 - 11:32pm PT

Doctor Spencer confirmed positive for ebola in New York city today.
When he had 103F temp and diarrhea this morning he went to hospital
and got tested.

The bad news is he went to two(2) bowling allies last night
to bowl. Does he have his own bowling ball of did he, like most
people, test the finger hole size of several different balls
until he found one he liked? And unknowingly smear live ebola
into the holes for the next person to come along and touch?
And the ball he used to play? The Ebola-ball. Who touched it next?

rottingjohnny

Sport climber

mammoth lakes ca

Oct 24, 2014 - 08:30am PT

sorry sketchy...forgot the smily face symbol...rj

climbski2

Mountain climber

Anchorage AK, Reno NV

Oct 24, 2014 - 10:47am PT

Just wanted to say that both nurses who contracted Ebola from Duncan have survived and are free of virus. Very lucky gals.

Couple of Hero's in my mind.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/24/nina-pham-ebola_n_6041940.html

Here is a brilliant leading immunologist and part of the team. Good interview.

http://radio.foxnews.com/2014/10/07/dr-anthony-fauci-politicizing-ebola-is-a-distraction-at-best-and-very-annoying-at-worst/

Dr Anthony Fauci, Lasker Awardee incredibly distinguished doctor.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Fauci

Chaz

Trad climber

greater Boss Angeles area

Oct 24, 2014 - 10:50am PT

Heroes to everybody excerpt for Jesse Jackson. Jackson said those who cared for the guy who died are racists.

rottingjohnny

Sport climber

mammoth lakes ca

Oct 24, 2014 - 10:51am PT

Proving that the men in white coats beat Karma every time..

Chewybacca

Trad climber

Montana, Whitefish

Oct 24, 2014 - 10:53am PT

I'm glad Ebola does not spread as fast as Fearbola.

johnboy

Trad climber

Can't get here from there

Oct 24, 2014 - 12:56pm PT

That be true ^^^^^^

When he had 103F

Actually and factually his temperature was 100.3F

Gary

Social climber

Desolation Basin, Calif.

Oct 24, 2014 - 01:18pm PT

Jackson said those who cared for the guy who died are racists.

Said Rush Limbaugh?

TGT

Social climber

So Cal

Oct 24, 2014 - 01:28pm PT

Hufpo!

Mr. Jackson echoed similar sentiments about privilege in a Tuesday blog entry for The Huffington Post.

“What role did [Duncan‘s] lack of privilege play in the treatment he received? He is being treated as a criminal rather than as a patient,” he wrote. “As followers of Jesus, we are called to work for the day when those with privilege, most often white people, have greater access to better medical care than those whom Jesus calls ‘the least of our sisters and brothers.’”

Texas Health Resources spokesperson Candace White issued a statement that said Duncan “was treated the way any other patient would have been treated, regardless of nationality or ability to pay for care. We have a long history of treating a multicultural community in this area,” the CBS affiliate reported.

Gary

Social climber

Desolation Basin, Calif.

Oct 24, 2014 - 01:46pm PT

And how does that translate into

Jackson said those who cared for the guy who died are racists.

At a news conference following the vigil, Jackson was asked if he thought there was an issue of racism at play.

"I don't want to say that, only because that could become the headline," he said. "Whether you are white in Atlanta or whether you are white in Nebraska or black in Dallas — we know there's different treatment among blacks in this country."

But his tone had changed since the morning. Before he left the city, Jackson spoke highly of Duncan's care.

"I think they've done a marvelous recovery, and we want to embrace the hospital staff and work with them on his recovery," he said.

TGT

Social climber

So Cal

Oct 26, 2014 - 08:25pm PT

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John Duffield

Mountain climber

New York

Oct 27, 2014 - 09:18am PT

The Governors of my state and an adjacent state, also were made to see the light this w/e.
They'd wanted a quarantine period for West African arrivals.
So it turns out, Medical professionals seemingly routinely, fly there for a relatively short stint. Like a couple or three weeks. A 21 day quarantine period, would make that less appealing and consequently fewer Medical Professionals would go.

I would've expected they'd be there for longer. But I admire them for doing it.

Have to see how it will turn out. All the good work done over there, could be undone by spreading the disease to new areas.

climbski2

Mountain climber

Anchorage AK, Reno NV

Oct 27, 2014 - 09:24am PT

This is one of those situations where the "Stop it over there before it comes over here" mantra really is true. Until the Ebola outbreak is stopped in Africa it will continue to show up everywhere else from time to time. The US and most industrial nations can easily contain any cases they get but it will kill a few here and there.

These nurses and Doctors that go to Africa are true heroes doing as much or arguably more to protect American lives than any battalion of Marines.

Uneducated political hacks making life and death medical decisions is a pathetic reality.

Our heroes deserve to be treated properly and not just a poorly executed blanket quarantine for no reason.

Occasionally quarantine is warranted and in those cases they should be treated well and perhaps reimbursed for time lost.

stevep

Boulder climber

Salt Lake, UT

Oct 27, 2014 - 05:45pm PT

Jeez TomCochrane, get a life. Try to read what they actually did. Do you think if their main goal was developing bioweapons that they would publish the research?

First of all, airborne and aerosol transmission are not the same. Airborne means microscopic particles that can be borne a long way on normal air currents. Aerosol means larger droplets propelled by force (sneeze, projectile vomit). The govt already knows this and has said aerosol transmission is possible if the individual is symptomatic.

The reason they know this is research of the type you reference. These sort of studies are done because it is helpful to know how diseases can be transmitted the next time one pops up.

And yes, sometimes, the results of such studies can be sometimes be used as base information in possible development of bioweapons. This is a source of on-going discussion and ethical debate in the research community. Not some sort of secret.

Edit: I see he deleted his post while I was writing this one. Hopefully that means he thought better of it.

climbski2

Mountain climber

Anchorage AK, Reno NV

Oct 28, 2014 - 08:38am PT

More top experts including the prestigious NE Journal of Medicine criticize states quarantine policies.

http://www.salon.com/2014/10/28/top_medical_journal_calls_out_christie_for_unfair_and_unwise_ebola_quarantine/

“The governors’ action is like driving a carpet tack with a sledgehammer: it gets the job done but overall is more destructive than beneficial.”

My opinion. Serious life and death questions related to proper governance should not be made due to political winds. The preponderance of evidence and expert advice suggests these policies do more harm than good.

AKDOG

Mountain climber

Anchorage, AK

Oct 28, 2014 - 10:17am PT

More top experts including the prestigious NE Journal of Medicine criticize states quarantine policies.

So far the medical experts have not done a good job with Ebola, one should regard anything the so called expert say/write with a very critical eye. 1000’s of people die every year in US hospitals from medical mistakes. Drug resistant bacteria are rampant and antibiotics are given out like candy. The first Ebola patient in the US was sent home from an ER with antibiotics, (wonder what bacteria that doctor thought he/she was treating?), two health care workers treating a patient with Ebola following guidelines of “contact isolation” were infected. Western medical workers in Africa got anti Ebola drugs, but because of limited supply there is none for locals. Ebola is not new, what is new is that we are now treating those infected with Ebola in modern ICU's. Symptoms may appear anywhere from 2 to 21 days after exposure to Ebola, but the average is eight to 10 days. Ebola is a very serious disease and should be treated as such. Death rates in outbreaks of Ebola infection have ranged from 25 to 90 percent.
Quarantine policies may be reactionary, but the medical community in the US at times appears to be throwing rocks from a glass house.

stevep

Boulder climber

Salt Lake, UT

Oct 28, 2014 - 10:58am PT

Actually, I'd say we've done a decent job. We've had what, 6 or 7 Americans infected. Only one has died.
Two health care workers here got it while treating the one who died. It sounds like they both saw him when he was very symptomatic and they might had had less than ideal containment clothing and procedures. But neither of them died, nor did they transmit it to anyone. Nor, in fact, did the person who died transmit it to anyone in his group of friends and family, who were in very close contact with him for a long period of time.

So here we have a disease that is only transmissible when a person is very symptomatic and sick. Also, though we only have a small sample size at present, it appears the mortality rate for this strain is not very high when treated with the high-level of supportive care we have here in the US.

While this doesn't mean we don't have a big problem in those three countries in West Africa, it also doesn't mean we should be running around panicking in the US.