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philo
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Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 13, 2014 - 03:40pm PT
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Science is scary and unGodly.
Here you go Chuffy can you tell which side of the fence is grazing land?
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fluffy
Trad climber
Colorado
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Apr 13, 2014 - 03:44pm PT
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I just sold an 11-87 with a 21" barrel that I used to hit 12 oz. cans @ 60m with about 50-50.
I can't seem to load Chief's photo, but hitting anything with a rifled slug at 150 yards is another story. They slow down and drop quickly.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 13, 2014 - 03:46pm PT
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^^^ People who think they are defending Liberty from Tyranny do.
A Cowscape.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 13, 2014 - 03:49pm PT
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MOO.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Apr 13, 2014 - 03:52pm PT
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Chief, you've posted that same pair of pics 4 times. What's your point?
As for the BLM just now getting around to claiming their rent due?
The bureau revoked Bundy’s grazing rights after he stopped paying grazing fees and disregarded federal court orders to remove his animals. Note that is plural federal court orders (at least more than one)
A federal judge in Las Vegas first ordered Bundy to remove his trespassing cattle in 1998. The bureau was implementing two federal court orders last year to remove Bundy’s cattle after making repeated efforts to resolve the matter outside court, Kornze said, adding the rancher has not paid grazing fees in 20 years.
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/home3/57813930-200/bundy-federal-cattle-nevada.html.csp
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John M
climber
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Apr 13, 2014 - 03:54pm PT
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dickheads are tiresome.. left or right
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 13, 2014 - 03:54pm PT
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OMG the horrors Eagles can burn in the light of a solar array.
Better keep drillin' and spillin'
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Apr 13, 2014 - 03:54pm PT
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Welfare queens...http://www.biologicaldiversity.org/programs/public_lands/grazing/
Sucking on the tit of the government.
" The ecological costs of livestock grazing exceed that of any other western land use. In the arid Southwest, livestock grazing is the most widespread cause of species endangerment. By destroying vegetation, damaging wildlife habitats and disrupting natural processes, livestock grazing wreaks ecological havoc on riparian areas, rivers, deserts, grasslands and forests alike — causing significant harm to species and the ecosystems on which they depend.
Despite these costs, livestock grazing continues on state and federal lands throughout the arid West. Livestock grazing is promoted, protected and subsidized by federal agencies on 270 million acres of public land in the 11 western states. Federal-lands livestock grazing enjoys $100 million annually in direct subsidy; indirect subsidies may be three times that. On the Tonto National Forest in Arizona in 2004 and 2005, ranchers were subsidized under just one federal program to the tune of $3.5 million for “range improvements.”
ECOLOGICAL COSTS
Cattle destroy native vegetation, damage soils and stream banks, and contaminate waterways with fecal waste. After decades of livestock grazing, once-lush streams and riparian forests have been reduced to flat, dry wastelands; once-rich topsoil has been turned to dust, causing soil erosion, stream sedimentation and wholesale elimination of some aquatic habitats; overgrazing of fire-carrying grasses has starved some western forests of fire, making them overly dense and prone to unnaturally severe fires.
Keystone predators like the grizzly and Mexican gray wolf were driven extinct in southwestern ecosystems by “predator control” programs designed to protect the livestock industry. Adding insult to injury — and flying in the face of modern conservation science — the livestock industry remains the leading stodgy opponent to otherwise popular efforts to reintroduce species like the Mexican gray wolf in Arizona and New Mexico."
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John M
climber
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Apr 13, 2014 - 03:55pm PT
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dickheads are tiresome.. left or right
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John M
climber
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Apr 13, 2014 - 03:57pm PT
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you are a dick
no.. you are a moron
no. you are a double moron
no.. you are a dick and a moron
no.. you are
no you are
no you are
no you are
no you are
no you are
bleh..
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 13, 2014 - 04:05pm PT
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Volkswagen’s New 300 MPG Car Is Not Allowed In America Because It’s Too Efficient
http://themindunleashed.org/2014/04/volkswagens-new-300-mpg-car-allowed-america-efficient.htmlBold Text**
You won’t find the 300 MPG Volkswagen XL1 in an American showroom, in fact it has even been denied a tour of America because it is too efficient for the American public to be made widely aware of, and oil profits are too high in America with the status quo in place.
No tour has been allowed for this car because the myth that 50 mpg is virtually impossible to obtain from even a stripped down econobox is too profitable to let go of, and when it comes to corporate oil profits, ignorance is bliss.
Why can't you Regressives and Obstructionists see the bigger picture or think outside the box, or in this case barrel.
Same mindset resists Green Renewable and Sustainable energy.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Apr 13, 2014 - 04:08pm PT
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Still does not answer why it took the FEDS 20 years to act as they did last week. I agree. But what's your point?
Perhaps you think that instead of glacial speed due process he should have been tossed in jail and the Feds confiscated his cattle 15 years ago?
It's really too bad that morons like Bundy and the "militia" goons get due process like the rest of us.
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dirtbag
climber
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Apr 13, 2014 - 04:23pm PT
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They actually didn't wait 20 years. They've been delayed because of lawsuits. And originally, they actually tried to (Gasp!) work with the guy.
. In 1997, Clark County purchased all active grazing permits in the area in accordance with the new federal Desert Tortoise Recovery Plan and the county’s own Desert Conservation Program, offering Bundy compensation for water rights and range improvements on his former allotment. Bundy rejected the offer. In 1999, the Nevada District Court permanently banned Bundy from grazing cattle in the area, ordering him to remove them or face a $200 penalty per cow per day. The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals upheld the injunction. Between 2008 and 2011, the BLM cancelled Bundy’s remaining range improvement authorizations. In 2011 Bundy ignored several court orders, including a notice of impoundment. Over the next two years, the BLM aerially counted first 903, then 729, then 600, then 750 head of cattle, nearly all suspected to belong to Bundy, on land closed to grazing.
https://www.hcn.org/blogs/goat/in-nevada-delicate-20-year-standoff-with-blm-ends-in-a-tense-roundup
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Apr 13, 2014 - 04:26pm PT
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That's how The Mob does things. They make you an offer you better not refuse - or else.
I guess he wasn't ready to go out of business yet.
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fluffy
Trad climber
Colorado
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Apr 13, 2014 - 04:29pm PT
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It's like trying to rationalize with a colicky screaming toddler
I give up
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 13, 2014 - 04:35pm PT
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Make WHAT happen? A stand off? A shoot out? A bloodbath?
Libtards were thrown to the ground and threatened with tasers for daring to wear Greenpeace T shirts to Republican political rallys during the illegal Presidency of GWShrub. Where were you gunhuggin' American patriots when it came to defending the rights of law abiding citizens against the tyranny of the State? So phuck ewe you Libertariantard "Don't Tread On Me" , "Water the Tree of Liberty" types.
Here's a question for ya Chuf.
If ancient archeological artifacts are found on Public land and it appears the find may be of great significance is it proper to temporarily restrict access to professional archeologists while the dig is occurring or should anyone be able to dig there?
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 13, 2014 - 04:44pm PT
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One big difference Philo, the REPUG RALLYS went on as scheduled and did not mess a beat. Libtards were arrested and controlled.
One BIG difference Chuffie is that the Libtards were NOT breaking ANY law while the Bundy Ranch has and IS.
Is the big difference for you that they were libtards and as such worthy of illegal detention and abuse.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 13, 2014 - 04:46pm PT
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dirtbag
climber
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Apr 13, 2014 - 04:50pm PT
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So this was once about the tortoise and NOT illegal grazing on the peoples land that them 400,000 acre DNE solar farm will do wonders for when they are constructed after Bundy's cattle are removed...
What solar farm?
The only sources I find for that angle come from "Appalachian News" and similar crank sources.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Apr 13, 2014 - 04:51pm PT
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the BLM packed their shet and went home returning all of Bundys cattle that they did not kill So Chief
How many of Bundy's cattle DID the BLM kill?
I'm sure Bundy's not shy about telling the world. His claim must be out there somewhere in the blogosphere. Or perhaps on Faux News.
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