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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Jan 27, 2014 - 10:22pm PT
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AK-47 vs AR-15 vs Mosin Nagant
AK-47: It works though you have never cleaned it once every couple years.
AR-15: You have a special cleaner and use it after every day.
Mosin: It was last cleaned in Berlin in 1945… maybe?
AK-47: You are able to hit the broad side of a barn from inside
AR-15: You are able to hit the broad side of a barn from 600 meters
Mosin: You can hit the farm from two counties over
AK-47: Cheap mags are fun to buy
AR-15: Cheap mags melt
Mosin: You know what a clip actually is!
AK-47: Your safety can be heard from 300 meters away
AR-15: You can silently flip off the safety with your finger on the trigger
Mosin: What’s a safety?
AK-47: Your rifle comes with a cheap nylon sling
AR-15: Your rifle has a 9 point stealth tactical suspension system
Mosin: You rifle has dog collar
AK-47: Your bayonet makes a good wire cutter
AR-15: Your bayonet is actually a pretty good steak knife
Mosin: Your bayonet can stab someone on the other side of the room
AK-47: You can put a .30″ hole through 12″ of oak, if you can hit it
AR-15: You can put one hole in a paper target at 100 meters with 30 rounds
Mosin: You can knock down everyone else’s target with the shock wave of your bullet going downrange
AK-47: When out of ammo your rifle will nominally pass as a club
AR-15: When out of ammo, your rifle makes a great wiffle bat
Mosin: When out of ammo, your rifle makes a supreme war club, pike, boat oar, tent pole, or firewood
AK-47: Recoil is manageable, even fun
AR-15: What’s recoil?
Mosin: Recoil is often used to relocate shoulders thrown out by the previous shot
AK-47: Your rifle can be used by any two bit nation’s most illiterate conscripts to fight elite forces worldwide.
AR-15: Your rifle is used by elite forces worldwide to fight two bit nations’ most illiterate conscripts
Mosin: Your rifle has fought against itself and won every time
AK-47: Your rifle won some revolutions
AR-15: Your rifle won the Cold War
Mosin: Your rifle won a pole vault event
AK-47: You buy cheap ammo by the case
AR-15: You lovingly reload precision crafted rounds one by one
Mosin: You dig your ammo out of a farmer’s field in Ukraine and it works just fine
AK-47: Service life, 50 years
AR-15: Service life, 30 years
Mosin: Service life, 100 years, and counting
AK-47: It’s easier to buy a new rifle when you want to change cartridge sizes
AR-15: You can change cartridge sizes with the push of a couple of pins and a new upper
Mosin: You believe no real man would dare risk the ridicule of his friends by suggesting to shoot anything but 7.62x54r
AK-47: You can repair your rifle with a big hammer and a swift kick
AR-15: You can repair your rifle by taking it to a certified gunsmith, it’s under warranty!
Mosin: If your rifle breaks, you find a new one at the gun buy-back
AK-47: You consider it a badge of honor when you get your handguards to burst into flames
AR-15: You consider it a badge of honor when you shoot a sub-MOA 5 shot group
Mosin: You consider it a badge of honor when you cycle 5 rounds without the aid of a 2×4
AK-47: After a long day the range you relax by watching “Red Dawn”
AR-15: After a long day at the range you relax by watching “Blackhawk Down”
Mosin: After a long day at the range you relax by visiting the chiropractor
AK-47: After cleaning your rifle you have a strong urge for a stiff shot of Vodka
AR-15: After cleaning your rifle you have a strong urge for hotdogs and apple pie
Mosin: After cleaning your rifle you have a strong urge for shishkabob
AK-47: You can accessorize you rifle with a new muzzle brake or a nice stock set
AR-15: Your rifle’s accessories are eight times more valuable than your rifle
Mosin: Your rifle’s accessory is a small tin can with a funny lid, but it’s buried under an apartment building somewhere in Budapest
AK-47: Your rifle’s finish is varnish and paint
AR-15: Your rifle’s finish is Teflon and high tech polymers
Mosin: Your rifle’s finish is low grade shellac, cosmoline and Olga’s toe nails
AK-47: Your wife tolerates your autographed framed picture of Mikhail Kalashnikov
AR-15: Your wife tolerates your autographed framed picture of Eugene Stoner
Mosin: You’re not sure there WERE cameras to photograph Sergei Mosin
AK-47: Late at night you sometimes have to fight the urge to hold your rifle over your head and shout “Wolverines!”
AR-15: Late at night you sometimes have to fight the urge to clear your house, slicing the pie from room to room.
Mosin: Late at night, you sometimes have to fight the urge to dig a fighting trench in the the yard to sleep in.
AK-47: You can pick off a deer pretty easy at 300 meters
AR-15: You can pick off prairie dogs at 300 meters all day long
Mosin: You can pick off a moose from the next province
AK-47: Sometimes mistaken for spare parts
AR-15: Sometimes mistaken for a toy
Mosin: Sometimes mistaken for an artillery piece
AK-47: Makes a Boom when fired
AR-15: Makes a Pop when fired
Mosin: A group of Germans just yelled “Vat Vas Dat Noise?”
AK-47: I think I shot the enemy!
AR-15: I shot the enemy
Mosin: I got the enemy and the 4 standing behind him!
AK-47: Heavily dents the metal gong and makes a loud gong sound
AR-15: Scratches the metal gong and makes a ping sound
Mosin: Can’t tell if you hit the gong because it goes straight through
AK-47: Puts a big hole through a tree
AR-15: Puts a small hole in a tree
Mosin: Chops and stacks the tree into firewood
AK-47: Cost you $600
AR-15: Cost you $1200
Mosin: Free with a tank of gas
AK-47: Can start the hand guards on fire from too much shooting
AR-15: Can start a fire if too close to a magnifying glass
Mosin: Can start a fire from the fireball from the muzzle
AK-47: Iron sights are good enough
AR-15: Lots of fancy optics available
Mosin: Barrel is so long who needs sights to aim, it always shoots point blank
AK-47: Can take down deer sized game
AR-15: Causes an argument if asked if it can take take deer sized game in US
Mosin: Causes a call from the US Government asking if you know what happened to their satellite
AK-47: Invented 60 years ago by wounded tank sergeant
AR-15: Invented 50 years ago by a consummate engineer
Mosin: Invented 117 years ago by two drunks on a budget
AK-47: Used with ammo not in accordance with the Geneva Convention
AR-15: Used with ammo accordance with the Geneva Convention
Mosin: One of the reasons the Geneva Convention was written
AK-47: Useful against unarmored foe
AR-15: Useful against armored foe
Mosin: Useful against tanks
AK-47: Five to six inch groups at 100 yards
AR-15: One inch group at 100 yards
Mosin: Muzzle is one inch from target at 100 yards
AK-47: Low cost, low maintenance
AR-15: High cost, high maintenance
Mosin: Free with a tank of gas and hasn’t been cleaned since WWII
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A5scott
Trad climber
Chicago
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Jan 27, 2014 - 11:23pm PT
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Hahahaha that's pretty good TGT
Scott
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujo de La Playa
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Jan 27, 2014 - 11:40pm PT
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Holy sheeit - oops, I thought this was the flamethrower appreciation thread.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Jan 27, 2014 - 11:42pm PT
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philo I am not familiar with this technology. A link would be helpful. I know you are anti-firearm, but please consider the following:
This is not a true statement.
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A5scott
Trad climber
Chicago
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Jan 28, 2014 - 12:16am PT
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Yes and ca will hire 5000 micro stamp agents to check each micro stamped firing pin each day to ensure they are not modified
Back to appreciating firearms, I'm thinking a FN SCAR 308 is in my future. I prolly need to sell my pinball machine to fund it haha.
Scott
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ELM !
climber
Near Boston
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Jan 28, 2014 - 09:24am PT
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AK-47: You can put a .30″ hole through 12″ of oak, if you can hit it
AR-15: You can put one hole in a paper target at 100 meters with 30 rounds
Mosin: You can knock down everyone else’s target with the shock wave of your bullet going downrange
I remember sighting in my Mosin I asked my spotter how my shot placement was and he replied "I have wait for my eyeballs to stop vibrating and I'll tell you". And the fire ball off that surplus ammo is a weapon itself.
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frank wyman
Mountain climber
montana
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Jan 28, 2014 - 10:00am PT
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Has anybody checked out the new R.I.P. bullets? Look real wicked...Google them..Will be made in a varity of sizes..
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dirt claud
Social climber
san diego,ca
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Jan 28, 2014 - 05:48pm PT
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The M91/30 has great accuracy and doesn't kick quite as much as the M44.
Great guns to shoot.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jan 28, 2014 - 08:06pm PT
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Just ordered 9 cases of RUAG frangible ammo.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Jan 28, 2014 - 09:38pm PT
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heck. i don't even know what RUAG is?
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crankster
Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
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Jan 28, 2014 - 09:42pm PT
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Worst thread in the history of threads.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jan 29, 2014 - 09:48am PT
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TMC,
RUAG is a new brand I discovered this month at SHOT. They had a booth about 100m from Bluewater and Yates'.
Swiss made lead free frangible projectiles loaded here and fairly competitive in price. For example 115 gr 9mm @ $.24/ rd
Frangible is not only safer to shoot steel plates at close range for practice, but is devastating in combat due to the instantaneous energy dump. At that cost you can practice and function test at the same time.
Hey crankster, I started a climbing thread about conservation, barely a hundred bites. Where were you?
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Somebody tell me why the Mosin was used as a sniper rifle in Nam if it was such a beast. I
realize they didn't have much to choose from but it sure seems rather cave.
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xtrmecat
Big Wall climber
Kalispell, Montanagonia
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Any of you guys ever build large precision rifle on a Remington 700 action? The question more specifically is this, after straightening the action, is it important to oversize the bolt bore and use a larger bolt? The bolt face will be trueed also and must be opened up.
This is probably the most I will ever put into a rifle and I want it as close to perfection as possible. Any of you been there done that?
Burly Bob
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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The mosin was the sniper rifle of the comunist block so that is what they used.
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this just in
climber
north fork
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Yesterday I loaded some .357 coppers for pig hunting tomorrow. At 75 yards I was high and right about six inches, but I stacked two and third was within an inch and a half. The stack was total luck cause I could barely see the target through my open sights. Shooting a Rossi model 1892.
Bullet- Barnes XBP 140gr HP
Powder- Alliant 2400 12.0gr
Shell- Nickel Plated 1.575 C.O.L
Unfortunatelly, the chrono wasn't working, but I think it should be around 1200-1300 fbs.
Gunna try to chrono again later.
Anyone else have .357 load data?
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Braunini
Big Wall climber
cupertino
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Can't go wrong with a Remington 700 project
Hang on, gotta go post my Shield TR over on AR15.com
BRB
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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My UTS 15 finally arrived and what a beast it is.
Now I can sell my old pumps to people in states like Cali where the UTS is banned.
Anybody interested?
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xtrmecat
Big Wall climber
Kalispell, Montanagonia
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Hey, this just in, I checked my load data for handguns, as I load a lot of this caliber for my wife. The pistol load for this caliber only gets up to 1047 fps with 12.5 grains of 2400, so your estimate may be off slightly for velocity. The rifle data I have is for a speer bullet but it suggests that a HP at 140 grains with 2400 that 14 grains is a minimum starting load, and produces a velocity of 1631.
I am not familiar with how strong the action of the Rossi is, but the load you tried seems a little light to me. Hope the chrono gets up and running. Keep me posted, as the group you shot seems quite impressive for a slow load. Hint, more muzzle velocity will result in more energy to the pig, which seems to be the goal.
I started to respond to this once, and then decided that handguns and rifles are two differend beasts, and I had nothing to really offer you, but after looking at my data, and loading a lot for my lever gun, and handguns just couldn't leave this one alone.
Good luck with the pig hunt,
Burly Bob
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this just in
climber
north fork
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Thanks Bob.
I couldn't find any data outta the Barnes Book for this powder, but looking at burn speeds and powders close to the 2400, I decided 12.0 gr was a good starting point. I'll post the Hornady info below. They actually used my exact rifle model, so that's cool. I actually think it's around 1400-1500fps, looking at the Hornady load info. I'm shooting coppers and they are longer than lead FPs, so any more powder and I'm worried about a compressed load. These Data are from a 180gr because I think the length of the bullet is about the same.
Also, appreciate your viewpoint and info. I hope to chrono today and end my guessing.
Also Also, it has 140gr @ 12.1gr a velocity of 1500fps. Max load at 14.7gr. I'll keep you updated if I find anything and if I get a pig.
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