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Anastasia
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Ikaria!
I am Ikarian, that's my family in that picture! :) So much to say!!!!
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Anastasia
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Long life is about caring, having purpose, not so hung up on money and... They find screw ups entertaining not damning.
You eat fresh, less meat but really the big one is they enjoy life by the simple things. Working in the sun, teasing a neighbor. They threw away the clock. Their clock is more about being where they are needed.
Food is lentils, fish, olive oil, diversity, not processed stuff and unfiltered honey plus wild herbs and tea.
I think the real kicker is they have purpose and people around them value them, care, interact. They care more, hate way less, don't care to judge but do love to mess with you, tease you, etc. They care about their fellow man, love their neighbor and life is way simpler.
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Mark Force
Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
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Thank you, Anastasia!
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anita514
Gym climber
Great White North
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Predictable.
Why do people get defensive when others talk about their choice to not eat meat? Funny how people who have nothing to contribute on the topic chime in to tease, possibly offend and add nonsense to something that is important to others.
Does my choice to not eat meat make you feel insecure or something? I don't get it.
Mei: I watched that doc (What the Health) and I thought it was pushing the vegan agenda (plus it was depressing). I have been watching a lot of these food/health docs on Netflix and they seem to contradict one another. There's the anti-sugar ones, the anti-wheat, anti-meat. The one doc about sugar says it is the cause of most of a lot of our issues. What the Health says it isn't sugar, but animal products, etc. etc. I think I am just going to live off water and grass.
I enjoyed "In Defense of Food" which presented a more balanced take on all this.
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Mark Force
Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
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I second reading "In Defense of Food"
All of Michael Pollan's works are thorough and thoughtful.
Michael Pollan's Three Rules for Sound Diet
1) Eat food*
2) Mostly plants
3) Not too much
* Only eat what is actually real quality food rather than processed food-like things
You're pretty much good to go with those simple rules.
My passion about the subject is from being a doc for over 30 years and seeing people get hurt from food faddism.
A sound Mediterranean dietary pattern is the antithesis of food faddism - scientifically sound and time proven.
And, as has been shared above it's not just about what we eat.
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Mei
Trad climber
mxi2000.net
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I think I am just going to live off water and grass.
Believe it or not, there are people who claim to live on air! Here is a recent story of a couple: A “BREATHARIAN” mum-and-dad of two have barely eaten for nine years as they live off “the universe’s energy”. Here is the Wikipedia link on breatharianism.
Anita, I also found the film strong on propaganda, but I blame it on the interviewer (also the director and producer), Kip Anderson. I don't think he is a good interviewer at all. That said, I found the film overall well researched. I'm sure there is some cherry picking on facts, but at least, they try not to make up "facts" (see citation list). And because it's so recent, it brought some latest researches to my attention.
I want to elaborate a little more on my "play" on user Ghost's comment, "There are other things in the universe than the consumption of the flesh of dead animals that impact the quality and length of human life." I pointed out that "There are other things than the quality and length of our own individual human life." What I meant was, there are things much bigger than our own individual life that can be impacted by what we choose to eat or not to eat. If you watch the film, you'll see what I mean.
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Ghost
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A long way from where I started
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And just so you all know, I am not in any way trying to push meat in the human diet. The cruelty involved in the "production" of meat is staggering. And sickening.
Like Anita, upthread, I think the most sensible summary of the whole issue was offered in "In Defense of Food." Mark expanded on it, but I would add my own comment that, if you are going to eat the flesh of dead animals, then do your best to make sure the animal was raised and killed humanely.
And I repeat, if you throw away your clock, your own life will be better, regardless of what you eat.
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Mei
Trad climber
mxi2000.net
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if you throw away your clock, your own life will be better, regardless of what you eat.
I honestly don't see how all the missed appointments and work meetings will possibly make my life better. Let's face it, we don't live on the island of Ikaria where, despite a ~40% unemployment rate, everyone still somehow gets fed, and apparently with a very healthy diet too!
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WBraun
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if you are going to eat the flesh of dead animals, then do your best to make sure the animal was raised and killed humanely.
Animals should raise you and then slaughter you and eat you.
You people are insane with your stoopid logics.
You're hypocrites too.
"Just do onto others as you would want them to do onto you." is your stoopid logics and dumb morals.
Then you turn around and slaughter everything sight.
Do you even think those animals want to be slaughtered?
Why do think the Buddha came?
Because you stoopid people were killing all the animals and slaughtering everything.
He said to stop this nonsense you're doing.
Dumb ass stoopid people .....
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originalpmac
Mountain climber
Anywhere I like
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I wonder if the animals were killing and slaughtering all of us if an animal buddha would come along. Maybe a Siddartha Goat-ama!
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Ghost
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A long way from where I started
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I honestly don't see how all the missed appointments and work meetings will possibly make my life better.
Yeah Mei, I know. I, too, have deadlines and meetings. So the throwing away of the clock must be at least partly metaphorical, but it is nonetheless important.
But there is another way to look at this. You say being on time for your appointments and meetings makes your life better. But how much better does "being on time" make your life? Maybe there are ways to modify the rush to Ulcer City without nullifying all the good things that your job gives you.
Worth thinking about.
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Contractor
Boulder climber
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Rejoice- guilt free meet consumption is just around the corner!
Cultured meat creation process goes something like this: myosatellite cells, a kind of stem cell that repairs muscle tissue, are taken from a cow neck and put in containers along with fetal calf serum (the medium, which will eventually switch to a non-animal source). The cells are placed onto gel in a plastic dish, where the calf serum’s nutrients are reduced, triggering the cells to go into starvation mode and split into muscle cells. Those cells eventually merge into muscle fibers called myotubes and start synthesizing protein. The end product is a tissue strip, described by the New York Times as “something like a short pink rice noodle.
Of course there's nothing like Fetal calf serum with a nice Chianti.
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anita514
Gym climber
Great White North
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Jul 11, 2017 - 03:55am PT
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How's your back, Cosmic?
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monolith
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state of being
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Jul 11, 2017 - 09:59am PT
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Yummy, yum, yum
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Brokedownclimber
Trad climber
Douglas, WY
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Jul 12, 2017 - 04:28pm PT
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My truth about meat: I eat it as often as I can, especially grass fed beef. Grilled; medium rare, please; with a glass of the finest Pinot Noir and a green salad with Italian dressing and a loaded baked potato.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Jul 12, 2017 - 10:30pm PT
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hey there say, anastasia... wow, say, as to this...
i pray a lot, well, always (not to push this on folks, just so you know my 'starting base) ... and well, since i do... it kind of helps me just get a FEEL for my day, each day...
so, i really DO live like this:
Their clock is more about being where they are needed.
if i ever DO have an appointment, which is rare now, that i have no younger kids around, etc... well-- i make sure i 'listen to my body, and my day' and GET READY for, and make sure i am not late... but-- other than that,
i use the general TIME FRAME that my friends need my help, at...
i really only have a time-frame for me, at home, but not by the clock...
i do NEED the clock if my friend wants me at her at a certain time, for lunch, or her apt, but-- these 'time' issue FALL INTO PLACE with ease,
when don't live by the clock as a type of RULE...
it is amazing... we used to live that way in south texas, too...
had only a few rare apts, and the kid's school and football games, but,
it was a LOT MORE EASY going... in south texas... the culture, too...
as to the food... yeah, we can't always help it, what is in our grasp to buy, but-- i only use real food, and did for my kids... however, their dad's life-style was a lot different, so, my kids kind of have a middle-trail, though:
now that they are older and have kids, at least HALF of my kids, are opting for more REAL foods... though, two are one the 'heavy meat eating side' like their dad was, and i get worried... :( his side of the family, the dad and three sons, never made it past 64, 67, and 60?? something-- though there was HUGE alcoholic-use here, as well, :(
the main point i wanted to share, though, is like anastasia:
live for your purpose, for those in your circle that you must care for, and over-lap to others, and share life... eat to live, and do your work well, and not make yourself sick... :)
well, if possible, :)
i have some twin buddies that raise their own beef, and only eat that, and not store-bought... i might take a bit of meat, perhaps once a year, depending on what is being served... but, mainly just make my own simple foods...
very interesting to hear all this...
thank you, everyone, for sharing...
would be nice if we could all grow our own foods, but that does not work very well-- though it is fun to try, and see things sprout up! :)
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Mark Force
Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
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Jul 13, 2017 - 01:48pm PT
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Monolith, Yer barkin' up the wrong tree.
The primary causes of arteriosclerosis are overconsumption of omega-6 polyunsaturated (PUFA) oils in the diet - mostly soybean, cottonseed, sunflower seed, corn and safflower oil - combined with high sugar consumption - especially from corn - and low consumption of vegetables to control CRP.
Note: One of the best ways to lower CRP is lots of veggies and vegetable juicing.
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Anastasia
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Jul 13, 2017 - 09:49pm PT
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40% unemployment means they work the land. Also why time isn't important. You wake up before the sun, put in a full day before 10 am and then return in the afternoon. I did it while there. Unemployment does not include those who refuse to pay taxes on their own hard labor to feed themselves. Hard because Greece's land is not mechanically farm friendly. They farm on terraces using old techniques that haven't changed for a hundred years. But what do I know, I'm just related to every soul there. Farmers and fisherman don't need watches to work their asses off. Still, it is hard and yet way less stressful.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Jul 13, 2017 - 11:51pm PT
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hey there say, mark... say, is this DUE to folks eating so much fried-fast-foods, as, they are FRIED in these oils?? and then, of course, to add to that, well, if they fry food at home?
just curious... :) as, i would think this is so, as to the oils...
but, there may be more to it than that, so just thought i'd ask, :)
and, of course, sugar, and corn syrup are in ?nearly all? the boxed, etc, and frozen 'pre meal's ( the stuff that is not home made) ... and that is
easily bought and consumed, as well, by humans...
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