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apogee
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Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Mar 23, 2015 - 11:09am PT
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I don't know what the point is about graphics like that. Who are they going to convince?
I mean, ACA supporters will not be surprised at all, and detractors won't believe anything, no matter what the factual source. What's the point, then?
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Mar 23, 2015 - 11:16am PT
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The point is only a few people correctly assessed the over/under.
Did you switch your healthcare provider?
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Mar 23, 2015 - 11:20am PT
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the point is = Obamacare SUCKS!
good luck to those Obama supporters ur days are numbered!!
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couchmaster
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Mar 23, 2015 - 11:25am PT
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Roger said: "I went to the local Veterans office to get my Veterans ID card. I just wanted to get 10% off at Home Depot and found out that all this time I have been eligible for Veterans Health Care. Agent Orange exposure. I guess I should have checked with them a bit earlier:-) All you Vietnam Vets should check, might save you some money."
I've been able to use the Veterans healthcare all my life but never have. (Volunteered and worked up there for a few years though). I have chosen to pay my own way and I have Kaiser with a very low deductible. We pay for everyone at work's Kaiser as well, and they all *WERE* getting what Obamamcare calls *The Cadillac Plan. None of them will be able to afford the changes coming next year, and I will not want to pay the higher than sh#t deductable that Obamacare demands for them or for me (unless you get lucky and are working for someone who donated a lot of campaign scratch to him like GE in which case, nevermind cause you get whatever you want to do).
Since the veterans doesn't do "means testing", I may go there and let you all pay for me to do it. F*#k it. Try to do the right thing all your life and you just get f*#ked in the ass by the government.
ps, Roger, thanks for that, wasn't aware. I just learned last time at Lowes that Lowes has been doing a discount for former military. I asked the guy, you want to see my DD214 when I come in? He said, no, just say you're ex military and you get it. Wish someone had told me some of this stuff 40 years ago:-0
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dirtbag
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Mar 23, 2015 - 11:35am PT
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Mar 23, 2015 - 11:20am PT
the point is = Obamacare SUCKS!
Faux news duped another one.
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apogee
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Mar 23, 2015 - 11:44am PT
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Nope, didn't change it. Still mulling it over...the possibility that Anthem would have bolstered their security above others is worth considering.
Much as I'd like to poke Anthem in the eye by leaving, the damage is done, and personal information security isn't likely to be any better elsewhere.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Mar 23, 2015 - 11:55am PT
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Apogee, if you don't give Kaiser an honest unemotional look you're doing
yerself a disservice. As to their security I would think it to be superior
in that it is all inhouse and unlikely to be shared, except with the gubmint.
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apogee
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Mar 23, 2015 - 12:00pm PT
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Booky: "Faux news duped another one."
Reilly, I will. I'm open to considering it, but dreading the idea of researching best plans again.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Mar 23, 2015 - 12:02pm PT
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That's OK.
Yemen's our foreign policy success story.
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Mar 23, 2015 - 12:20pm PT
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Dirt boy fox news must be ur channel.
I prefer 60min...
did u watch last night bombshell article on Obama admin..?
dought u did.. too busy on supertopo sprayn..
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crankster
Trad climber
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Mar 23, 2015 - 12:27pm PT
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pyromaniac, thanks for the countdown clock to Hillary's first day in the White House.
And when you see this..
bombshell you know it's another fake issue created by rightwing media.
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Mar 23, 2015 - 12:34pm PT
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Keep spray'n!
Be sure to not drink coffee from a kcup..
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Mar 23, 2015 - 12:53pm PT
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the point is = Obamacare SUCKS!
Agree wholeheartedly.. However it does suck less than what was right before it. It sucks less than the republican alternative.. unless of course you consider the FACT that Obamacare is almost purely the conceptual child of the republican party. It is in fact a republican construct modeled very closely on Romney care in Massachusetts.
Thus a big part of why it sucks.
Honestly it really should be called Romney care. It's his baby.
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apogee
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Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Mar 23, 2015 - 12:55pm PT
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bc
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Prescott, AZ
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Mar 23, 2015 - 04:25pm PT
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I don't know what the point is about graphics like that. Who are they going to convince?
I mean, ACA supporters will not be surprised at all, and detractors won't believe anything, no matter what the factual source. What's the point, then?
Apogee, To your point I found this interesting from a Boston Globe article...
"...In the end, truth will out. Won’t it?
Maybe not. Recently, a few political scientists have begun to discover a human tendency deeply discouraging to anyone with faith in the power of information. It’s this: Facts don’t necessarily have the power to change our minds. In fact, quite the opposite. In a series of studies in 2005 and 2006, researchers at the University of Michigan found that when misinformed people, particularly political partisans, were exposed to corrected facts in news stories, they rarely changed their minds. In fact, they often became even more strongly set in their beliefs. Facts, they found, were not curing misinformation. Like an underpowered antibiotic, facts could actually make misinformation even stronger."
Anyway, it's an interesting read.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Mar 23, 2015 - 04:56pm PT
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You can't build up yer immune system unless yer exposed to infectious agents.
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apogee
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Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Mar 23, 2015 - 06:35pm PT
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Well, my immune system is getting goddam bulletproof, then, Reilly.
"...when misinformed people, particularly political partisans, were exposed to corrected facts in news stories, they rarely changed their minds. In fact, they often became even more strongly set in their beliefs. "
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa
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Mar 23, 2015 - 08:01pm PT
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When is Medicare going to be terminated?
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Mar 23, 2015 - 08:50pm PT
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Obamacare SUCKS!
The principle reason it sucks is it was designed to keep the insurance corporations in the game. So long as those leeches are attached to basic, universal healthcare it will always suck.
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