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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Feb 14, 2013 - 03:45pm PT
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With all due respect I would take any statistics from S America with more
than a grain of salt. A lot more.
Yep. I'm not up to the task but a serial pass through the numbers, say from 2000 to 2012 would be an interesting exercise.
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cliffmama
Trad climber
Gunks
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Feb 15, 2013 - 12:49am PT
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Hey ZBrown,
A friend told me I should read this thread because I'm about to leave for Potrero Chico, but I was surprised to see this photo in the thread. I took that photo - I'm the asian (but not Vietnamese) tourist with the camera so I'm not in the shot. Did you pull this from my blog at http://cliffmama.com/blog/missing-potrero-chico-mexico/
I realize my friends are concerned, but I have to admit that I'm getting tired of the daily notes from people saying "did you hear this? did you read about that? You're crazy! Too dangerous! Your children need you!" and making the assumption that I'm not going to survive my trip. Wish me well, think what you want and keep it to yourself, but please don't keep telling me I'm going to die, I think it's pretty rude. We're going to climb in the day, and lay low at night. Just like as with climbing, we analyze the situation, weigh the risks and choose our actions. This will be my 9th trip there. I'll be in the Mexican sunshine by lunchtime on Saturday.
I have never been to portrero chico and am not anticipating a trip nearfuturewise, so I poked around a little and did find some photographic evidence of Vietnamese tourists, alive no less.
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ß Î Ø T Ç H
Boulder climber
bouldering
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Feb 15, 2013 - 01:05am PT
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pelut espania
Big Wall climber
Espania
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Feb 22, 2013 - 03:24pm PT
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" They are Mexicanos and not the cultured Spanish gentlemans"
That is f*#king hilarious...the same spanish that wiped out most natives in the Americas without blinking an eye.
Amigo! American Dogs did the Mexican wrongs not the gentlemans of Espania! tu loco man! We are gentlemans and love all peoples. Viva Espania!
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Feb 23, 2013 - 12:44pm PT
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Zbrown's link:
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Feb 25, 2013 - 10:26pm PT
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yes cliffmama - I found the photo on your blog and hot linked to it
i hope you're not offended in any way
on second viewing not many of those pictured appear to be Vietnamese
is it dangerous in Mexico? - statistically definitely
is it too dangerous to visit and/or climb at Portero chico? Probably not.
http://cliffmama.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/partying-posada-potrero-chico.jpg
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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Mexico City, D.F.
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For anyone interested in the Ayotzinapa massacre, the Intercept (Glen Greenwald's project) did a huge piece of investigative journalism. Unfortunately, it doesnt look like this crime will be solved anytime soon.
Ghosts of Iguala
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Heyzeus
climber
Hollywood,Ca
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Don Paul, amazing article, thanks for posting.
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