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juar
Sport climber
socal
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Jun 29, 2012 - 06:06pm PT
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the only employers this would effect,
should be out of business presently due to criminal law
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juar
Sport climber
socal
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Jun 29, 2012 - 06:27pm PT
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only crackheads get service?!?!?
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Jun 29, 2012 - 06:36pm PT
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John...don't know if you've left for the weekend, but I'd be interested on your take of this angle of the SCOTUS ruling (as well as any other law professional)...
The 5-4 decision found Roberts siding with the Libs..for the first time, maybe...in a split that no-one anticipated. Prior to the ruling, there was speculation that Roberts was concerned about the institutional integrity of the SCOTUS, and that after a string of rulings that trended rightward on hot-button issues, another such ruling on the ACA would politicize and undermine the integrity of the SCOTUS that would work against the longterm best interests of the institution.
Since the ruling, he's been excoriated by some on the Right...even going so far as to say he should resign...one quote I just heard was that if he wasn't capable of making objective decisions each and every time, based solely on whether a given issue is constitutionally valid or not, then he should throw in the towel immediately.
Some/many on the Left have felt that 'finally...he sided with us'.
The supposed (and to my eye, unachievable) goal of impartiality of a Justice has been argued endlessly. It's curious to me that the CJ might give strong weight to the institutional integrity of the SCOTUS, and possibly go so far as to allow that concern to dominate where he stood on an issue, even if that meant setting aside the core elements of that issue (as it relates to constitutionality). Your thoughts?
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jun 29, 2012 - 06:45pm PT
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Norton,
Where are you getting your drugs????
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jun 29, 2012 - 06:50pm PT
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Jun 29, 2012 - 10:04am PT
Norton,
You on or off today???????
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juar
Sport climber
socal
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Jun 29, 2012 - 06:58pm PT
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crackheads dont deserve medical care?
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juar
Sport climber
socal
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Jun 29, 2012 - 07:08pm PT
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of course i do!
not sharing a room puts dollars in some shitheads pocket
why would i want to do that?
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S.Leeper
Social climber
somewhere that doesnt have anything over 90'
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Jun 29, 2012 - 07:56pm PT
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cool, shithead gets past the filter!
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nature
climber
SoSlo, CO
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Jun 29, 2012 - 07:59pm PT
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DOW up 277 today. Maybe because the world doesn't like to see boner cry like that?
bwaahahahahahaaaaaa.....
give it up. you are wrong.
about everything!
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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Jun 29, 2012 - 08:09pm PT
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This is a thread for ST history.
it needs to be saved, like a time capsule, for about 5 years.
Then we can dig it up and see who was correct and who was not.
My .02 on the issue.
I don't trust the government to do anything.
They (us gov.) always get everything wrong.
So now were going to have health care provided by the same folks who bring you the: National Park Service, Secret Service, Defense Dept., Education Dept, Army Corps of Engineers,etc etc
Not one well run Dept in the whole government....
Do you guys really think they are going to get this right???
And save all of us money??!!
WTF???
I want what you're smokin.
(edit for Piton Ron. sorry)
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Jun 29, 2012 - 08:53pm PT
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Two things the Democrats flatly refused to put in this bill:
Tort reform. I understand that the actual $ amount of settlements, while not insignificant, is not a large factor in costs. But the defensive medicine, meaning unneeded procedures and prescriptions and the very high insurance rates doctors and hospitals must pay are a big factor. I read an interview the other day with a doctor in the midwest who stated that he routinely orders "about 5 or six unnecessary MRI's per week and writes dozens of prescriptions a week" just to cover his but if he gets sued.
Competition across state lines. Of course the insurance companies don't want it, it will force down rates and margins.
Why do you suppose these were left out despite Republican efforts to include them, and when everyone knows they will help lower costs?
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nature
climber
SoSlo, CO
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Jun 29, 2012 - 09:01pm PT
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You Liberals need to be punished with a tax for not posting
all fair and balanced like us Conservatives always do.
because it's fun to see boner cry?
because it's a tit-for-tat crap shoot?
no idea.
As my President said this bill will be improved. I believe him. 100% to be quite honest. Perchance that becomes a part of it. And hey! here's an idea. Perchance the repubnitards could actually pull their hands out from under their asses and work with the Dems to make something real and lasting. Yes, I realize it's a pipe dream. The goal to make Obama fail is clearly paramount in their agenda. But maybe, you know, maybe, if we work together we can get this whole ACA shaped into something that really does mean something to the people. But the true and honest assessment is that the repugs have no interest in that. They just want Obama out. Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.
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Curt
Boulder climber
Gilbert, AZ
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Jun 29, 2012 - 09:49pm PT
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Why do you suppose these were left out despite Republican efforts to include them, and when everyone knows they will help lower costs?
Because they won't and were offered up by Republicans solely to diminish the goal of the ACA.
Curt
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nature
climber
SoSlo, CO
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Jun 29, 2012 - 10:11pm PT
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norton +1
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jun 29, 2012 - 10:12pm PT
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Nice to see people so open to changing their minds.
AND IT IS "YOU'RE SMOKING" NOT "YOUR SMOKING"!
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Jun 29, 2012 - 10:13pm PT
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"the core of <today's> conservatism is to resist change for the sake of resisting it <and to get the liberal black muslim out of the WH>
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Jun 29, 2012 - 10:13pm PT
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Norton...Can you produce a birth certificate with your real name and place of birth...? Jeff needs to know.....RJ
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Jun 29, 2012 - 10:16pm PT
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"As my President said this bill will be improved. "
If this bill hadn't passed both Congress & SCOTUS, there's no way the issue would be touched again anytime in our lifetimes. Though (greatly) imperfect, the fact that it is becoming law will create some kind of precedent from which to craft and improve in the future. If this was his intent, Obama deserves kudos for playing the long game on this.
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juar
Sport climber
socal
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Jun 29, 2012 - 10:17pm PT
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tort losses yearly amount to less than 1 percent of earning
they only people talking about them in term of actuality
are people living on commercials
not reality
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Jun 29, 2012 - 10:25pm PT
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tort losses yearly amount to less than 1 percent of earning
As I said it is not the tort losses which are the problem. The relevant costs which are passed on to the consumer are the practice of defensive medicine and the high cost of malpractice insurance. Even if a majority of lawsuits against doctors and hospitals are settled (a number you will not see on the books )or lost they still have to be defended which is expensive.
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