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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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May 23, 2012 - 12:55pm PT
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Comparing Nat-Geo to a reality tv show is inappropriate.
So Euros prancing around BC in the banana hammocks is OK but a scantily clad American woman isn't?
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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May 23, 2012 - 12:56pm PT
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Folks, I know I used the word "morally" in the thread title but this particular thread drift is not what I had in mind.
Jim, thread drift is what supertopo was built on. Just be glad you've got a climbing topic hovering near the top for 350+ posts!!
Not only that, but the woman in question is mostly on topic.
Phil, I agree that she may be a fine person and all but the heels on Everest does look cheap to me too.
By the way, I didn't get anywhere near any of your long shyte at Red Rock.......
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Vitaliy M.
Mountain climber
San Francisco
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May 23, 2012 - 12:59pm PT
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She is a performance artist working a project, not a bimbo hooker.
That was the funniest comment posted here so far! LMFAO!!!!!!
Good one philo. Hope this will score you a hug next time you are getting a lap dance in Vegas! ;)
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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May 23, 2012 - 01:02pm PT
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Survival i agree. As...uhm... stimulating as her pics may be I don't agree with her choice of photo shoot location. I am also not a fan of lucite heeled hooker shoes and tramp wear. But I didn't decide for her how to proceed. The Rivers of Ribbons project is an on going endeavor.
Bruce what did you climb in RR?
My long routes there are all shyte and death routes. Don't go there. :)
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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May 23, 2012 - 01:04pm PT
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What a bunch of judgmental fuks.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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May 23, 2012 - 01:04pm PT
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Philo, Sherpas make jokes about everything, especially sex.
so I'm sure they'll have some good ones.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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May 23, 2012 - 01:08pm PT
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What a bunch of judgmental fuks.
Who are you calling judgmental?
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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May 23, 2012 - 01:09pm PT
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Not you of course.
Consider this.
Mia Hamm can rip off her jersy in celebration during the internationally televised Olympics and no one called her a hooker, bimbo, strumpet or stripper. Hundreds of millions of people watched that spectacle on live TV and I can guarantee that more people all over the world were offended by that.
And yes there is also an element of the sacred involving the Olympics.
She has on more spikes and less clothing than Jona.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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May 23, 2012 - 02:02pm PT
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Hey John Beck! Don't post my photos of Jona without my permission.
Actually posting copyrighted photos on this forum for the the non-commercial purpose of criticism and opinion is allowed under the Fair Use doctrine, with of without attribution.
The point of the posting was accomplished, I removed the picture so as to keep everyone happy, except maybe future readers of this thread.
http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl102.html
http://lizzshepherd.suite101.com/the-fair-use-doctrine-a56255
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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May 23, 2012 - 02:12pm PT
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Classic! I read the first post to this thread, and the last three or four. Total disconnetct. Classic thread drift. Where's LEB when you need her!
Agree with Donini. It is not morally defensibe to accept money to load a six-chamber revolver with one bullet and hand the f*#ker to a "client." They are too f*#king dumb to know what they're getting into, and that makes it morally indefensile. Just sayin'.
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Fluoride
Trad climber
West Los Angeles, CA
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May 23, 2012 - 03:06pm PT
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bvb, I agree I didn't want it to drift like this so here it goes.....
These problems on Everest could stop by several means:
1. ban O2 bottles. either you get up or you can't on your own. Ueli Steck just did it without O2 cause he's a professional MTN athlete who belongs up there (and trains HARD). People who can't hack it and need canister after canister to survive.....it's not a place meant for them.
2. the only guide services are locals Nepal/Tibet). But Nepal relies upon Western Guide Services for several millions of dollars each year.
3. Screen every team member as if they were doing K2. Everest is treated as a bunny slope for the rich these days.
4. If you can't identify ice axes, put on crampons correctly or other basic mountain skills you should be turned back
4. No helicopter trips up just to pick up people who summitted and wanted back down cause they were lazy. Helo's only for the injured.
5. the biggest: END FIXED LINES!!!!!!!!!! Let those who want to climb the mountain get up by skill and rope intelligence.
Feel free to add, these aren just mid morning ideas in LA
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Vitaliy M.
Mountain climber
San Francisco
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May 23, 2012 - 03:27pm PT
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Are those high heels the new version of mono point crampons developed by philo in Ouray?
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SCseagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz
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May 23, 2012 - 03:35pm PT
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She has on more spikes and less clothing than Jona.
Actually they are cleats. Golfers use spikes.
Susan
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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
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May 23, 2012 - 03:40pm PT
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Flouride I came to the exact same conclusion. If the climbing community doesn't take the lead in policing this, someone else is going to. Maybe an opportunity next weekend with the next summit push - hundreds of people are still waiting for their own chance to summit and have invested too much to turn back no matter what. I would like to see some strong statements, by American Alpine Assoc or whomever, condemning the Everest scene and making recommendations to the govt of Nepal. I know there are maoist guerrillas and whatnot but this is something they can easily deal with.
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Vitaliy M.
Mountain climber
San Francisco
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May 23, 2012 - 03:55pm PT
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Flouride I came to the exact same conclusion. If the climbing community doesn't take the lead in policing this, someone else is going to.
Let's protest!
Occupy Everest!!
hmmmmm wait....nevermind...
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raymond phule
climber
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May 23, 2012 - 03:56pm PT
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Why care about what happens on Everest?
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Reeotch
Trad climber
4 Corners Area
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May 23, 2012 - 04:18pm PT
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Why? Because it dumbs down climbing, and obscures the accomplishments of real climbers when these dweebs buy their way to the summit and then capitalize on their big puffed up climber image.
That's why!
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raymond phule
climber
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May 23, 2012 - 04:23pm PT
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Because it dumbs down climbing
Climbing Everest has very little in common with the climbing I have done.
Why don't ban all kinds of guiding?
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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May 23, 2012 - 04:24pm PT
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The only way to self-regulate is to remove the mystique of Everest itself... I bet its generational and it will die out within 10-15 years all by itself.
Wanna bet on that? There's a lot more than Americans in the picture.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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May 23, 2012 - 04:25pm PT
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I agree with Fluoride on 4,4, and 5.
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