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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Aug 24, 2011 - 12:57am PT
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Plaids come in silk? I thought they only came in scratchy wool.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Aug 24, 2011 - 01:00am PT
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So the bear was an unwitting victim of a fashion crime, maybe hoping to make a bearizen's arrest?
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nita
Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
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Aug 24, 2011 - 01:02am PT
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This thread is unbearable...and that my friends ..is the 444..
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Aug 24, 2011 - 01:03am PT
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Can't believe nobody has said "Dead bears don't wear plaid."
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apogee
climber
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Aug 24, 2011 - 01:06am PT
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"Breaks my heart to have to kill this thing..."
"It breaks my heart to have to take this bear down."
"...but I do understand that this kind of incident can be very emotional for some people."
"I am NOT a hunter in any sense of the word..."
"...never said I was proud of it, and never will."
"it's not like I am some gun-happy dipshit who loves to kill things. "
"If it broke your heart to kill that thing you would'nt be posing for photos with the bear and your gun. and then posting them here."
"Post killing a bear on a climbing forum and you should expect some responses that may not be plaased with said post. "
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slayton
Trad climber
Here and There
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Aug 24, 2011 - 05:08am PT
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Hi Crag,
I've been following this thread from the beginning and I have only one question: why the hell did you go out that door?
OK. It's not just one question. But most are just for clarification. So you come into the kitchen after hearing noises, you see a bear who's head and
front legs are in your window, you yell at it, it starts to back out so that it has to either jump off of your deck 10' to the ground or continue along the path of least resistance along the deck witch will ultimately lead him to you, whom have just stepped out that door, onto that deck and in his way? Why??
Glad you and your family is safe.
Sean
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Delhi Dog
climber
Good Question...
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Aug 24, 2011 - 06:54am PT
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Cragman seems like a nice guy and it seemed like he didn't have too many choices at the time.
Butt apogee does make a valid point IMHO about the picture posing (though the fallout from those silly PJ's are pretty funny).
Curious about Crag's response to that post...
Cheers,
DD
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drljefe
climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
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Aug 24, 2011 - 10:08am PT
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Just finally checked out this thread.
What a bummer.
Crag, your explanation above sounds reasonable enough to me.
Still, such a bummer.
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Brokedownclimber
Trad climber
Douglas, WY
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Aug 24, 2011 - 10:24am PT
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Dean-
What others here don't seem to comprehend is the high-stress scenario that was facing you. I would probably have done the same thing as you while wearing MY plaid pajamas!
After facing a potential lethal threat, I would still be carrying my gun as well; I hope you had already reloaded! The possibility of a second aggressive carnivore could not be ruled out either.
To everyone else: the property damage and broken window glass would have sent me ballistic; any time a wild animal does extensive property damage as a repeat offender, the G & F would have eliminated the critter. My hat is off to Dean for his follow-up in dispatching a wounded animal. To me, allowing a wounded bear loose in the neighborhood would have been more criminal than the "feeders." The fact is--bears and humans have been in conflict through millennia.
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drljefe
climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
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Aug 24, 2011 - 10:27am PT
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I woulda been freeballin'. So no matter how hideous those Lands End pj's are, thanks for wearing them.
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Delhi Dog
climber
Good Question...
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Aug 24, 2011 - 10:40am PT
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Thanks Cragman for the explanation.
I know that is some scary shite.
One thing that gives me the heebee jeebees is when I'm in the backcountry alone, at night, and a beer shows up.
Must have been some adrenalin pumping besides that finger.
Cheers,
DD
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Aug 24, 2011 - 10:53am PT
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Hey Dances With Pajamas,
how do you keep your sidearm ready?
You might consider a duty belt, especially since you don't have a light on that thing.
You could have some pepper spray, quick-ties and a spare clip too.
I don't know if you can get it in plaid though,..
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OR
Trad climber
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Aug 24, 2011 - 10:54am PT
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I kept the gun in my hand should there be another animal out there as aggressive as this one.
I still have to laugh at that one. So it was safe enough to take multuple photos, decide the scale was off and have your daughter take some more photo's with you in them flashing your .40. But it was not safe enough that you needed a loaded hangun while in your own driveway.
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apogee
climber
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Aug 24, 2011 - 11:00am PT
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"He posts hate against ANYTHING I post, because he hates that I am a conservative Christian."
I tell ya, Cragman, that anytime you make a victim post like that ('I'm just an oppressed Christian conservative', you're gonna elicit a response from someone.
For the record, there's at least one other conservative Christian here at ST who I have great respect for, and have regular, productive dialogues with. Your religion (and even your ideology) have nothing to do with it.
I've posted this at least twice thusfar, but I'll do it again: I don't criticize your decision- I wasn't there, and give you the benefit of the doubt on that one.
It's the double-talk about how badly you felt about it, juxtapositioned against that victory shot, then feigning surprise and indignation that anyone criticizes you on this, and attributing it to the fact that they just don't like your religion and ideology. Give us a feckin' break.
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Fish Finder
Social climber
THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART
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Aug 24, 2011 - 11:16am PT
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Wow this just keeps getting better.
"I went in for my camera. I took 8 photos of the bear, and after looking at the pics,"
So ... where was the loaded gun during this time ? who was outside when you went in ?
and , How did you ever decide which great shots to publish?
Havent you learned anything yet from hangin with Flanders.
Humble is good.
1. An admirable quality that not many people possess. It means that a person may have accomplished alot, or be alot but doesn't feel it is necessary to advertise or brag about it.
The bear was humbled.
"Just two weeks prior to this incident, there were two bears killed by another local after these two bears broke into his home for 11 nights straight."
I applaud the patience of your neighbor and its amazing that 2 bears were killed and nobody outside of June has heard of it or seen pictures.
One more question , How is it that the dining room window isnt open more if the head and front paws were in the house and the bear had to back out? That opening seems small for such a LARGE bear.
The bear is dead. Can we just get on to your next sensational acts.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Aug 24, 2011 - 12:32pm PT
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Damn! I thought this was gonna be about Flanders being back to his normal self, moving in with you and then eating you outta house and home! Great Minds think alike, Chief. That was my first thought when I read the thread title!
Joking aside.
Dean, no apologies needed. You did what you had to do, I'm sure not with any joy. I feel badly for the bear, one more innocent beast caught in the conflict of the urban/wilderness interface. I suppose the good news is there's obviously a large population of bears in the area and losing one has no affect on the big picture.
If there are people feeding them, that DEFINITELY has to be stopped.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Aug 24, 2011 - 12:42pm PT
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Dean, as for your pic with the bear: you're definitely a fashion FAIL. I'd have been in nothing but boxers. Would have made me look much more studly for the glory pic.
Joking aside (again)
That's a very interesting pic for two reasons. Obviously that's a LARGE Black Bear. I don't believe I've seen one that big. Your face tells it's own story: shock and awe on your part. You certainly weren't in it for sport.
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Brian
climber
California
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Aug 24, 2011 - 12:57pm PT
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As a "sometimes poster, mostly lurker" over the years it absolutely astounded me how quickly Supertopo threads, on almost any subject, degenerate into name-calling, vitriol, personal attack, and anonymous internet swagger. It's the reason I spend only a trivial amount of time here. I come back for the good threads, the climbing TRs, and--hope springs eternal--the notion that the anonymous hacks and trolls will eventually go away.
I've got to imagine that some of the worst offenders in this regard either (a) behave very differently in person and don't greet every single difference in opinion, no matter how minor, with a hail of abuse, (b) have absolutely no friends or acquaintances because of said vitriol and misanthropy, (c) have very few teeth from having been laid out so many times (eventually we all come up against someone bigger, stronger, or meaner), or (d) some combination of the above.
Give it a rest. Most of us think Dean acted reasonably in a situation that he couldn't foresee. I certainly do. If some of you disagree, just let it go. I can see the point of arguing out something substantive; but, seriously, if you've got nothing better to do than to second guess why a man stepped outside to make sure his home was secure, or why he took a picture after he confirmed that it was, you really need to develop some other interests. Maybe try climbing. It's pretty fun!
Somewhat less seriously, what's wrong with plaid?
Brian
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Aug 24, 2011 - 01:01pm PT
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Nothing (if you want to be known as Old Tartan Drawers, but maybe the "4 in the head and 1 in the ass" will eclipse the fashion statement,..)
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Brian in SLC
Social climber
Salt Lake City, UT
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Aug 24, 2011 - 01:39pm PT
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Wow. Impressive shootin'!
Curious if you picked the round specifically for an encounter of this sort? FMJ? Was it the Fiocci ammo? Reasonable velocity.
Any idear if all the head shots penetrated the skull?
Thanks for sharing!
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