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dirtbag

climber
Dec 3, 2010 - 04:25pm PT
It's all bullshit fatty....

GFYS.


Seconded.

That "Someday you'll learn Crowley" line is so condescending.
WBraun

climber
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 3, 2010 - 05:52pm PT
Yes ... torture is good!!!

I torture people on this site daily with short posts and cryptic messages that lead then into pulling their hair .....
dirtbag

climber
Dec 3, 2010 - 06:38pm PT
Pure torture posted below:



























































dirtbag

climber
Dec 3, 2010 - 07:14pm PT
That's gotta be the best advertisement ever.
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Dec 3, 2010 - 08:27pm PT
The GOP, the NeoCons, GWB/Cheney "The War Criminals" et al. have no legal leg to stand on. Neither does the Obama Administration for decisively deciding not to look back. He has covered for the corrupt prior administration.

They would like to vilify and capture and try Julian Assange and bring down Wikileaks for telling the Truth.

Yet they lied us into an illegal, fraudulent Pre-emptive War that has cost thousands of American lives, and 100s of thousands of innocent civilian Iraqi lives, spread DU over the entire country, and tortured against all International Law and The Geneva Convention and then lied about it. Their real crimes are endless.

If they bring down whistle-blowers and organizations like Wikileaks who expose their corruption, and for simply telling the Truth, then the World Court will bring down the NeoCons and all the Bush War Criminals.

Perhaps we should have this legal fight.

The hypocrisy is astounding.

Bring it on.
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Dec 4, 2010 - 03:12am PT
http://wlcentral.org/


2010-12-03: Rep. Ron Paul defends WikiLeaks
Submitted by admin on Sat, 12/04/2010 - 04:02

While some of his colleagues are calling for Julian Assange to be prosecuted as a terrorist or assassinated, in an interview on Fox News' Freedom Watch on Thursday, Republican Rep. Ron Paul said that Julian Assange and WikiLeaks should get the same kind of protections as the mainstream media when it comes to releasing information.

"In a free society we're supposed to know the truth," Paul said, quoted by Politico. "In a society where truth becomes treason, then we're in big trouble. And now, people who are revealing the truth are getting into trouble for it."

"This whole notion that Assange, who's an Australian, that we want to prosecute him for treason. I mean, aren't they jumping to a wild conclusion?” he added. “This is media, isn't it? I mean, why don't we prosecute The New York Times or anybody that releases this?"

"What we need is more WikiLeaks about the Federal Reserve," he added. "Can you imagine what it'd be like if we had every conversation in the last 10 years with our Federal Reserve people, the Federal Reserve chairman, with all the central bankers of the world and every agreement or quid-pro-quo they have? It would be massive. People would be so outraged."

In a Twitter post on Friday, Ron Paul wrote: "Re: WikiLeaks — In a free society, we are supposed to know the truth. In a society where truth becomes treason, we are in big trouble."

Read more at Politico, CBS News and Raw Story
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Dec 4, 2010 - 03:32am PT
http://wlcentral.org/


2010-12-04: NSW Supreme Court solicitor: Letter to Australian Prime Minister Julia Gillard
Submitted by admin on Sat, 12/04/2010 - 04:09
By Peter Kemp, Solicitor of the Supreme Court of NSW, on 2010-12-04

Dear Prime Minister
From the Sydney Morning Herald I note you made a comment of "illegal" on the matter of Mr Assange in relation to the ongoing leaks of US diplomatic cables.

Previously your colleague and Attorney General the Honourable McClelland announced an investigation of possible criminality by Mr Assange.

As a lawyer and citizen I find this most disturbing, particularly so when a brief perusal of the Commonwealth Criminal Code shows that liability arises under the Espionage provisions, for example, only when it is the Commonwealth's "secrets" that are disclosed and that there must be intent to damage the Commonwealth.

Likewise under Treason law, there must be an intent to assist an enemy. Clearly, and reinforced by publicly available material such as Professor Saul's excellent article:
http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/society-and-culture/dont-cry-over-wikileaks-20101201-18glc.html
...Julian Assange has almost certainly committed no crime under Australian law in relation to his involvement in Wikileaks.

I join with Professor Saul also in asking you Prime Minister why has there been no public complaint to the US about both Secretaries of State Condaleeza Rice and Hillary Clinton being in major breach of International law ie UN Covenants, by making orders to spy on UN personnel, including the Secretary General, to include theft of their credit card details and communication passwords. Perhaps the Attorney General should investigate this clear prima facie evidence of crime (likely against Australian diplomats as well), rather than he attempts to prosecute the messenger of those crimes.

It is also disturbing that no Australian official has castigated Sweden for the shameful treatment Mr Assange has received ie his human rights abused, in that he has not been charged and served with papers in the English language regarding the evidence against him of alleged sexual offences. This is contrary to Article 6 of the European Covenant on Human Rights to which Sweden is a signatory nation.

Those offences remain unclear and the Swedish prosecutor Ms Ny appears to be making up the law as she wants. It appears now, by Ms Ny's interpretation that when consensual sex occurs but if a condom breaks, the male party is liable to 2 years imprisonment for sexual assault. All this information is publicly available.

An Australian citizen is apparently being singled out for "special treatment" Prime Minister. There are legitimate concerns among citizens here that his treatment by the Swedes is connected to US interests which are against the activities of Wikileaks, and you will note the strident, outrageous (and illegal) calls inciting violence against him in the US in demands for his assassination, by senior influential US politicians.

Granted that in western political circles, Mr Assange is not flavour of the month, but what he is doing in my opinion, and in the opinion of many here and abroad, is vitally necessary to expose American foreign policy failures and potential war crimes and crimes against humanity--not for the purpose of damaging US interests but to make them accountable.

While we have close and a good relationship with the US, there is no doubt that US influence and power is declining. That we appear to be still posturing, (given that declining power and a new paradigm of privately enforced accountability) to the US on the issue of Wikileaks is, Prime Minister, deeply disappointing.

Yours Faithfully
Peter Kemp.

(Readers are encouraged contact the Australian Prime Minister here: http://www.pm.gov.au/PM_Connect/Email_your_PM);
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Dec 4, 2010 - 08:24am PT
http://wlcentral.org/



2010-12-04: Reporters Sans Frontières statement on WikiLeaks
Submitted by admin on Sat, 12/04/2010 - 10:48

RSF: WikiLeaks hounded?

Reporters Sans Frontières (Reporters Without Borders) issued an official statement on WikiLeaks and Cablegate. The French version is available here.

"Reporters Without Borders condemns the blocking, cyber-attacks and political pressure being directed at cablegate.wikileaks.org, the website dedicated to the US diplomatic cables. The organization is also concerned by some of the extreme comments made by American authorities concerning WikiLeaks and its founder Julian Assange.

Earlier this week, after the publishing several hundred of the 250.000 cables it says it has in its possession, WikiLeaks had to move its site from its servers in Sweden to servers in the United States controlled by online retailer Amazon. Amazon quickly came under pressure to stop hosting WikiLeaks from the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and its chairman, Sen. Joe Lieberman, in particular.

After being ousted from Amazon, WikiLeaks found a refuge for part of its content with the French Internet company OVH. But French digital economy minister Eric Besson today said the French government was looking at ways to ban hosting of the site. WikiLeaks was also recently dropped by its domain name provider EveryDNS. Meanwhile, several countries well known for for their disregard of freedom of expression and information, including Thailand and China, have blocked access to cablegate.wikileaks.org.

This is the first time we have seen an attempt at the international community level to censor a website dedicated to the principle of transparency. We are shocked to find countries such as France and the United States suddenly bringing their policies on freedom of expression into line with those of China. We point out that in France and the United States, it is up to the courts, not politicians, to decide whether or not a website should be closed.

Meanwhile, two Republican senators, John Ensign and Scott Brown, and an independent Lieberman, have introduced a bill that would make it illegal to publish the names of U.S. military and intelligence agency informants. This could facilitate future prosecutions against WikiLeaks and its founder. But a criminal investigation is already under way and many U.S. politicians are calling vociferously for Assange’s arrest.

Reporters Without Borders can only condemn this determination to hound Assange and reiterates its conviction that WikiLeaks has a right under the U.S. Constitution’s First Amendment to publish these documents and is even playing a useful role by making them available to journalists and the greater public.

We stress that any restriction on the freedom to disseminate this body of documents will affect the entire press, which has given detailed coverage to the information made available by WikiLeaks, with five leading international newspapers actively cooperating in preparing it for publication.

Reporters Without Borders would also like to stress that it has always defended online freedom and the principle of “Net neutrality,” according to which Internet Service Providers and hosting companies should play no role in choosing the content that is placed online."

Source
http://en.rsf.org/wikileaks-hounded-04-12-2010,38958.html
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Dec 4, 2010 - 08:28am PT
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4640754#4641735

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4640754


'WikiLeaks WON'T be stopped': Founder reveals 100,000 encrypted versions of secret files have been
Edited on Fri Dec-03-10 01:06 PM by Turborama
Source: The Daily Mail

'WikiLeaks WON'T be stopped': Founder reveals 100,000 encrypted versions of secret files have been sent out as insurance

The founder of WikiLeaks today revealed he has sent out 100,000 encrypted copies of secret diplomatic cables so they will definitely be released whatever happens to him.

Julian Assange, breaking his silence in an online question and answer session, acknowledged there had been death threats against him and his colleagues because of the damaging leaks. He told for the first time of the insurance policy he had put in place to ensure that his whistleblowing website will not be silenced, whatever drastic steps may be taken by his enemies.

=snip=

'The threats against our lives are a matter of public record. However, we are taking the appropriate precautions to the degree that we are able when dealing with a superpower,' he said.

All the leaked American diplomatic cables as well as 'significant material from the U.S. and other countries' has been copied to more than 100,000 people in encrypted form, he added. 'If something happens to us, the key parts will be released automatically,' he wrote.


Read more:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1335244/WikiLeaks-given-100-000-encrypted-versions-secret-files-insurance.html?ito=feeds-newsxml


Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Dec 4, 2010 - 08:32am PT


http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2034276-1,00.html



Sure would like the link to the other article:
"And Why it Hasn't Hurt America" by Fareed Z.
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Dec 4, 2010 - 08:47am PT
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4641875



White House Warns Government Workers on Calling Up WikiLeaks
Source: Bloomberg

The Obama administration said federal employees and contractors shouldn’t call up classified documents, including those posted by WikiLeaks.org.

In a memo today, the Office of Management and Budget, said the WikiLeaks disclosures damaged U.S. national security and warned that the documents remain protected.

“Classified information, whether or not already posted on public websites or disclosed to the media, remains classified, and must be treated as such by federal employees and contractors, until it is declassified by an appropriate U.S. Government authority,” the memo said.

Read more:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-12-04/white-house-warns-government-workers-on-calling-up-wikileaks.html

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Welcome to China.





Read the comments by posters at DU, they see right through this 100% USDA Bull Dung.

And now it begins. Now our Government is trying to tell us we can not even look at it, and to do so is a crime.


Welcome to the NWO.
WBraun

climber
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 4, 2010 - 11:03am PT
From Time magazine

The repercussions of the WikiDump are only beginning to play out. In Korea, the nuclear-armed regime of Kim Jong Il learned that its longtime protector, China, may be turning on it and is willing to contemplate unification of the peninsula under the leadership of the South Korean government in Seoul.

In Iran, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad discovered through the leak that while his Arab neighbors were publicly making nice, privately they were pleading with the U.S. to launch an attack against Tehran's nuclear program. Whether that revelation weakens Iran's bargaining position or whether it will encourage Iran's leaders to hunker down and be even less cooperative in negotiations remains to be seen.

What is plain is that in Iran and elsewhere, the WikiLeaks revelations could change history.

Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Dec 4, 2010 - 01:16pm PT

Why Wikileaks is Good for Democracy
by Bill Quigley
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/11/30-8

Information is the currency of democracy. --Thomas Jefferson.

. . .

The US has been going in the wrong direction for years by classifying millions of documents as secrets. Wikileaks and other media which report these so called secrets will embarrass people yes. Wikileaks and other media will make leaders uncomfortable yes. But embarrassment and discomfort are small prices to pay for a healthier democracy.

Wikileaks has the potential to make transparency and accountability more robust in the US. That is good for democracy.



Amen.



Oh, and by-the-way it isn't a tapeworm it is S-A-T-A-N.

Just like "The Church Lady" always said. Nervous lol.

http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/church-chat/2441/
MH2

climber
Dec 4, 2010 - 01:29pm PT
"They have some kind of agenda?"

The stated goal is to remedy injustice by exposing it.

There may be less public goals, also.

They aren't likely to worry about the iron law of unintended consequences.

Banking secrets coming next?
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Dec 4, 2010 - 05:22pm PT
The Pentagon Papers helped end a corrupt war in which we lost over 50,000 of our own American men and women in SE Asia, and many more Vietnamese.


The Wikileaks can do much the same for the entire world. Stop the lies.


Long live the truth.


John 8:32 (KJV)
"And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."


Free from corruption. Free from lies. Free from those who want to hide their crimes. Bring it all into full daylight.



Matthew 7:5 (KJV)
"Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye."


Now we can clean house and do the right thing and finally treat the rest of the world with respect like we should.

Stop hiding your crimes behind the false flag of patriotism and wrapping your lies in the American flag. Abide by your public oath and protect the Constitution from enemies both foreign and domestic. The enemy of our Nation and our Constitution are those who lie and then hide their corruption at the highest levels behind the facade of State Secrets.

They rob us of our freedoms and trample and shred our Constitution when they do so. These people who do this are the true enemies of a free and open democracy.

We need to hold them to account. The World is waiting.
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Dec 4, 2010 - 05:26pm PT
http://wlcentral.org/


2010-12-04: Cablegate: Journalists in defence of WikiLeaks, part 7
Submitted by admin on Sat, 12/04/2010 - 17:35

Ryan Gallagher, Open Democracy: Wikileaks: the truth is not treason

"As international reaction testifies, the repercussions of Cablegate are massive. Wikileaks is changing the world without invitation, and the political establishment does not approve.[...]

“You can kill a man but you can't kill an idea,” as the civil rights activist Medgar Evers once said. And an idea is precisely what Wikileaks has become. It is no longer simply a website – it is a pure expression of democratic ideals, a philosophy realised by the force of technology. The powerful may condemn and attempt to repress Wikileaks and all it represents, but the situation has long since spun far from their control. Facilitated by the internet, a new battleground has been established. All traditions now hang in the balance and all bets are off."
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Matthew Down, National Journal: To Tell the Truth

"Everyone in Washington claims to support transparency and government openness during campaign season and when it’s popular to do so. They castigate the other side when it does things in secret and suggest that its intentions must be nefarious if it is unwilling to make its deliberations public. But when an organization discloses how our foreign policy is conducted, some of these same people claim that the release will endanger lives or threaten national security, or that the founder of WikiLeaks is a criminal.

When did we decide that we trust the government more than its citizens? And that revealing the truth about the government is wrong? And why is the media complicit in this? Did we not learn anything from the run-up to the Iraq war when no one asked hard questions about the justifications for the war and when we accepted statements from government officials without proper pushback?[...]

If we want to restore trust in our government, maybe we can start by telling the truth, keeping fewer secrets, and respecting the privacy of average citizens a little more. As Ralph Waldo Emerson once said, “God offers to every mind its choice between truth and repose. Take which you please; you can never have both.”"
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Guy Rundle, Crikey: WikiLeaks -- time for a register

"The first four stories on the UK news tonight were all either created by, or transformed by, the WikiLeaks Cablegate releases.

The governor of the Bank of England has been revealed as no benign public servant, but a player, trying to push the incoming government towards a harsher, more purely Thatcherite economic policy, and worried that they lacked the guts to do it; the Sri Lankan President was greeted with a huge demonstration supercharged with revelations of government involvement in massacres of Tamils; the "special relationship" is being battered by revelations of non-reciprocity on extradition, spy flyovers and the like; and even the separate news of Russia's winning the 2018 World Cup was set in the context of its utter corruption -- something that many people now felt they knew as much about as the elite, dictating the policy we should take towards them.

How long this will go on no-one knows. But while it does, power relations are being subtly transformed in ways that may have effects for some time to come. Once WikiLeaks manage to secure service, and eventually place the Cablegate logs online, there will be three huge volumes -- the Iraq logs, the Afghan logs and Cablegate -- which effectively constitute an alternative history of the present."
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Jim Naureckas, FAIR: WikiLeaks Hasn't 'Leaked' Anything


"Actually, Julian Assange didn't leak anything--he can't, because he didn't have access to classified documents. Someone (or someones) who did have such access leaked those documents to Assange's WikiLeaks, which, as a journalistic organization, made them available to the world, both directly and through other media partners.

This distinction, which is widely ignored in commentary on WikiLeaks, is actually quite important, because the ethical obligations of a government official with a security clearance are quite different from those of a media outlet.[...]

To treat Assange as a leaker when he is, in fact, a journalist is not only morally confusing, it's quite dangerous to journalists in general. If the government can declare Assange to be spy or a terrorist because he's published classified documents he's received, every investigative journalist who does the same thing is in deep trouble."
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John Naughton: What the attacks on WikiLeaks tell us

"Like most people, I’ve only read a fraction of what’s been published by WikiLeaks, but one thing that might explain the official hysteria about the revelations is the way they comprehensively expose the way political elites in Western democracies have been lying to their electorates. The leaks make it abundantly clear not just that the US-Anglo-European adventure in Afghanistan is doomed (because even the dogs in the street know that, as we say in Ireland), but more importantly that the US and UK governments privately admit that too.

The problem is that they cannot face their electorates — who also happen to be the taxpayers who are funding this folly — and tell them this.[...]

What WikiLeaks is exposing is the way our democratic system has been hollowed out. Governments and Western political elites have been shown to be incompetent (New Labour and Bush Jnr in not regulating the financial sector; all governments in the area of climate change), corrupt (Fianna Fail in Ireland, Berlusconi in Italy; all governments in relation to the arms trade) or recklessly militaristic (Bush Jnr and Tony Blair in Iraq) and yet nowhere have they been called to account in any effective way. Instead they have obfuscated, lied or blustered their way through. And when, finally, the veil of secrecy is lifted in a really effective way, their reaction is to try to silence the messenger — as Noam Chomsky pointed out."
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Bernard Keane, Crikey: Missing the point on WikiLeaks

"This rolling series of releases — and WikiLeaks has barely begun to release the amount of material it has — is raising fundamental issues not merely about statecraft and diplomacy but information, power and the role of the media. Guy Rundle spotted this immediately, and while I would say that, wouldn’t I, his analysis has been the best you’ll see in an Australian publication. This is about far more than a simple matter of leaking sensitive cables, or newspaper coverage of those leaks.

Instead we’re given an uncomprehending coverage by the Australian media, as if it simply can’t process what’s happening, and needs to keep trying different narratives to see if they fit what’s being observed, sticking with whatever seems to temporarily do the trick.[...]

It’s not entirely fair to blame the media, though, because the Australian government is doing exactly the same thing. The response of the federal government has been… I was going to say “instructive”, but it’s more accurately, and sadly, affirmative of what you suspected, that politicians and bureaucrats can’t see this through any other than a rather 20th century, Cold War-style lens."
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James Moore, The Huffington Post: WikiLeaks and the Myth of Journalistic Objectivity

"There is a very simple reason WikiLeaks has sent a furious storm of outrage across the globe and it has very little to do with diplomatic impropriety. It is this: The public is uninformed because of inadequate journalism. Consumers of information have little more to digest than Kim Kardashian's latest paramour or the size of Mark Zuckerberg's jet. Very few publishers or broadcasters post reporters to foreign datelines and give them time to develop relationships that lead to information. Consequently, journalism is atrophying from the extremities inward and the small heart it has will soon become even more endangered.

So, long live WikiLeaks and Julian Assange. And if Pfc. Bradley Manning is the leaker, he deserves the Presidential Medal of Freedom.

Good government, if such a thing exists, is the product of transparency. Americans have very little idea of the back-stories that lead to the events they see on the nightly news or read about on the net. How did such messes end up being such messes? If journalism were functioning at appropriate levels, there would have been stories that reported some of the information contained in the cables now published around the globe."
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Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Dec 4, 2010 - 05:36pm PT
Hey, six more posts and you'll be at the portentous 666.
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Dec 4, 2010 - 05:55pm PT
Ron,

I agree with you on mucho, missile etc., but on this issue I disagree.

Truth is always good. True it may hurt for a moment, and be incredibly embarrassing but in the long run it works for positive change.

The fact that now the rich powerful elite who corrptly run countries are now realizing that they can be exposed, and exposed in a flash to the entire World via the www/internet is a very powerful tool of the people to hold them to account.


The revolution will not be televised, it will "interneted" via the WWW and all at once to the entire World.


Daniel 12:4 (KJV)
"But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, [even] to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased."




We are indeed within those days where knowledge is increased Worldwide, and we go to fro near the speed of light on the WWW.
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Dec 4, 2010 - 06:27pm PT
Ron,

It is a matter of right and wrong.

Governments can hold secrets, that isn't the issue. No one is saying you can't keep secrets.

The issue is when they hold and hide secrets that clearly demonstrate lies and corruption, and try to hide them behind the cover of State Secrets. Then they run the risk of being exposed when they do that, and that is a very good thing.

People work government. People do indeed at times have pure consciences. I will leave it to the whistle-blowers to make the right moral judgement at the moment and release the information to Wikileaks or some other organization that will do the same exact thing, when they know it is the moral right thing to do. Yes, they put themselves in danger. Some people are truly brave and are true patriots regardless the cost. They are Heroes with a conscience in my book. There are too few of them these days.

Keeps governments and the rich powerful elite who seem to love corruption on guard and always looking over their shoulder paranoid. And that is a good thing. Since they don't seem to have a conscious or the ability to tell right from wrong, or legal from illegal, whistle-blowers and Wikileaks and others like them will have to do it for them.

They are Watch Dogs for Truth and Freedom. And they help protect our Constitution and our Country from those who illegally, immorally, and corruptly abuse our trust.
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Dec 4, 2010 - 06:29pm PT
SATAN LIES AND CORRUPTS.

HE IS THE FATHER OF LIES AND CORRUPTION.

EXPOSE HIM.


Fitting number for this post.



John 8:44 (NIV)
"44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies."



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