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syrys
Big Wall climber
Magnolia, Texas
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Feb 25, 2010 - 10:52am PT
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Don't forget about these two guys!
In Texas, we don't need no gun laws. Everyone has a gun. We like to bring them with us wherever we go too!
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syrys
Big Wall climber
Magnolia, Texas
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Feb 25, 2010 - 11:04am PT
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You wouldn't be saying that if they were staring you down.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Feb 25, 2010 - 11:13am PT
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7 billion and counting. How about a campaign for more grizzlies and less people. It certainly would be better for the planet.
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adam d
climber
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Feb 25, 2010 - 11:17am PT
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Be serious Syrys...you know what those shots are. The only staring down that was going on was through a rifle scope. Maybe try reading Aldo Leopold's ideas on trophies for a different perspective.
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syrys
Big Wall climber
Magnolia, Texas
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Feb 25, 2010 - 11:18am PT
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Nothing against your comment. I enjoy the back country as much as anyone else. But remember that animals are in balance with nature. Humans are not. When we intrude in their hunting grounds then we are fair game as well.
If you look at the picture of the bear above you will notice his nose is soaked with blood. That's because he has been eating humans. The guy in the picture is from Alaska Fish and Game. They killed this bear after it mauled the guy in the photo below in a local village.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Feb 25, 2010 - 11:39am PT
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Trophy hunting is the perhaps the weakest, lowest sport on earth.
Hunting for food along with growing and raiseing your own food is the other end of the spectrum entirely.
I get pretty annoyed by omnivors who bash hunters when they know nothing of where their food comes from. If you can't take personal responsibility for killing your own food then you certainly have no right to bash someone who is hunting to feed their family.
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syrys
Big Wall climber
Magnolia, Texas
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Feb 25, 2010 - 11:52am PT
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I agree. Most people have no clue where their food comes from.
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Minerals
Social climber
The Deli
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Feb 25, 2010 - 12:08pm PT
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No leg to stand on? Ha! Looks like grizzlies prefer leg meat! Nice to see the food chain (temporarily) in balance again.
“7 billion and counting. How about a campaign for more grizzlies and less people. It certainly would be better for the planet.”
And for humans in the long term. I couldn’t agree more. With all of the legislation these days, telling us what we can’t do in order to “protect the environment”, you’d think that there would be some sort of legislation that prevents humans from breeding like cockroaches. But, as I like to say, it’s pretty rare for intellect (or lack thereof) to overcome instinct.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population
Tick, tock, tick, tock…
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syrys
Big Wall climber
Magnolia, Texas
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Feb 25, 2010 - 12:17pm PT
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You're missing the point. Those photos are not of trophies. That cat was shot wandering around a neighborhood after reports of missing pets. The guy in the photo is the local sheriff. The bear had been eating people from a local village in Alaska. We are not talking about gun control. That is a different issue. We are talking about the ability to carry a concealed weapon in the back country. We are not talking about AK47s either. I carry a S&W Model 329 Titanium 44mag. I weighs nothing and I have never had to use it. But I would rather have it with me than not have it with me. A PLB is not going to save you from a bear or cougar attack in the back country. The mace canister probably wouldn't do anything either.
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anabasis1
Mountain climber
California
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Feb 25, 2010 - 12:20pm PT
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Surely the constitution's right to bear arms was the result of the Founder Fathers' wanting ultimate Law and Order to be through local militia, and not have a standing army, because in "all the countries" that the immigrants had come from (that being synonymous with anti-civilian oppression and/or lawless bullying by the troops)?
But more importantly, why on earth does anyone want to take a gun into a NP? The basic idea is for a human to quietly enjoy the natural qualities of a unique area. Surely there is no positive reason for taking a gun into a park?
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syrys
Big Wall climber
Magnolia, Texas
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Feb 25, 2010 - 12:35pm PT
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Anabasis, the next time you are out in the back country at dusk and come across a large bear that is getting ready to charge you, ask him if he would like to sit down and enjoy the serene quietness of the unique area that you both are sharing. Concealed weapons are not for the village store at Yosemite. They are for the back country.
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franky
Trad climber
Bishop, CA
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Feb 25, 2010 - 12:42pm PT
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haha, you guys are all so scared, you just don't want to admit it to yourselves. Probably scared of those other races, all those terrible drugs out there, those stinky homeless people. Terrifying!!!
I didn't say anything about not defending yourself, just said you didn't need a gun to do it. Yes, if someone points a gun at me, they can have whatever they want of mine. My two most expensive possessions are my rack and my car, and neither one is worth being shot at for, nor would i shoot someone to defend them. There is a reason people don't say "gun lovers", and instead say "gun nuts".
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syrys
Big Wall climber
Magnolia, Texas
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Feb 25, 2010 - 12:48pm PT
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Watch out for the boogieman in Bishop, California. He just might show up one day and take your rack.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Feb 25, 2010 - 01:56pm PT
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Actually Dingus, the folks in my family do hunt for food. Unless you are a real vegatarian (lots of fakers out there) you realy do not have any right to diss someone who kills their own food.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Feb 25, 2010 - 02:14pm PT
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Whats wrong with the fall hunt? If you use every bit of the animal and you honor it. Is it sustaing your whole family for the yaer? Hell no but it is helping and every little bit helps. It is also keeping you in touch with your place in the experience of life. If all you ever do is go to the store and buy something that someone else kills you have no clue what your impact actually is. When I see the life go out of a beautifull deer it realy makes me question my carnivore ways... I guess that I must need that reality check to nuture my christian guilt.
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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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Feb 25, 2010 - 02:21pm PT
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Any person who thinks a gun is necessary for protection from bears or lions in the Yosemite back country needs to get a grip on reality.
I'd compare my milage since 1969 in that particular arena to anybody's on this thread. I've seen dozens of bears at every time of day, including mothers with cubs, I've watched them struggle to get my food in the middle of the night, I've run into them on the trail, I've had them stick their big heads into my tent in the half light of dawn and I've never, repeat never, felt as though I needed to protect myself with a gun.
Every body needs to feel so safe in contemporary life, from detailed topos, to sport climbs, to crash pads, to firearms, lets be absolutely safe in every aspect of our lives... just a bit sad.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Feb 25, 2010 - 02:32pm PT
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I'll second that!!!
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hillhiker
Trad climber
Fremont
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Feb 25, 2010 - 03:11pm PT
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My backpack just got heavier.
Is there a limit on ammo?
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meg - tp
Trad climber
kingman, az
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Feb 25, 2010 - 03:15pm PT
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A climber bagging on trophy hunting? Wow, I don’t see how you fail to identify with trophy hunters...
The biggest rack - the biggest rack, the tallest mountain, the largest spray, the most useless lightweight gadgetry, the most prized obscure knowledge, guarding the most prized obscure knowledge, territoriality, the connection with nature, the style of the send...
These are two uber individualist user groups I thought would find more in common.
One last victory - one of few - victories for GDub.
I for one will certainly be packing in and out a few more ounces.
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