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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 20, 2012 - 07:57pm PT
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I haven't been following much of the GOP race this 'season.' So when I saw Santorum on C-SPAN, stumpin' away, I thought I'd listen to see what this "bright" man had to say. I mean he is, after all, going to be the runner up for the GOP nomination.
After about a minute of listening to him I felt the urge to puke. He was going on about how AWG is just an Al Gore fabrication, and folks would walk "lock step" with him into cap-n-trade economy burning policies. You could tell, what he really wanted to say was these blokes were walking "Goose step" with Al.
Mr. Rickey basically lambasted the entire field of climatology with the wave of his hand.
Oh what a mess we make when all we do is duck and fake.
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Mar 21, 2012 - 12:45am PT
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My take on this?
Whether you believe in AGW or the tooth fairy, one thing is certain:
We have finite resources and an exponentially growing population. It has doubled in the last 50 years, to near 7 billion.
I think Santorum ought to get out in front on birth control for other nations. Most of the developed nations have neutral population growth, I believe.
I need to google the CIA World Factbook. It is a great storehouse of statistics on just about anything you could ask.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 21, 2012 - 11:12am PT
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While no one of us can shoulder personal responsibility for this tragedy of the commons, all of us who have benefited from the heedless extraction of oil and relentless destruction of the forests and the oceans must be aware of the extent to which we have brought this on ourselves, and taken the rest of the natural world along with us.
Here's an article that really hits home, from genocide in Guatemala to the destruction of rain forests in Indonesia, the bludgeoning of the planet for the sake of ownership and unrestricted growth.
Silent Spring Dawns Hot, Dry and Merciless
Jennifer Browdy de Hernandez brings it home, looking at the bare ground as she takes a walk. A Spring ground that's normally covered in acorns for the squirrels and other small creatures. The Autumn was harsh for these critters, now they have a Spring that is hot and dry.
Imagine a growing season where all over the planet we lurched from heat and drought to torrential rains and tornadoes.
In the US we have become accustomed to thinking of food insecurity as something that happens in other parts of the world.
Famine stalks Asia and Africa. It doesn’t come near us.
I can't help but think of blahblah's now infamous quote: We're just not too worried about it. Capice?
The indigenous people [of Indonesia] who made the forest their home for millennia are being mercilessly deprived of their natural habitat just as surely as the rest of the flora and fauna there.
The loss of biodiversity, including the loss of ancient indigenous human cultures, is a tragedy that cannot be quantified. What is being lost is priceless.
Capice?
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Mar 21, 2012 - 12:34pm PT
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I was joking about Santorum. He would get trounced by Obama.
The geologic record has a number of eustatic (worldwide) events that are well documented. The biggest one was CO2.
It won't kill the species, but it will slowly make property values in Manitoba skyrocket.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Mar 21, 2012 - 12:37pm PT
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it will slowly make property values in Manitoba skyrocket
I dunno, you think the skeeters are bad up there now just you wait until
those balmy nights are even warmer!
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Mar 27, 2012 - 10:31am PT
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On Lake Winnipesaukee, New Hampshire's largest lake, ice-out day came early this year: March 23.
An early or late ice-out day in any one year is just weather.
This is climate:
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Mar 28, 2012 - 01:33pm PT
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Some of the most popular arguments (repeated countless times on this very thread) have more poetic names:
"It's cold today in Wagga Wagga!"
"But...but...but...AL GORE!"
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Mar 28, 2012 - 03:28pm PT
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http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2012/03/27-5
LONDON - The world is close to reaching tipping points that will make it irreversibly hotter, making this decade critical in efforts to contain global warming, scientists warned on Monday.
Scientific estimates differ but the world's temperature looks set to rise by six degrees Celsius by 2100 if greenhouse gas emissions are allowed to rise uncontrollably.
As emissions grow, scientists say the world is close to reaching thresholds beyond which the effects on the global climate will be irreversible, such as the melting of polar ice sheets and loss of rainforests. [...]
In a worst case scenario, 30 to 63 billion tonnes of carbon a year could be released by 2040, rising to 232 to 380 billion tonnes by 2100. This compares to around 10 billion tonnes of CO2 released by fossil fuel use each year.
Increased CO2 in the atmosphere has also turned oceans more acidic as they absorb it. In the past 200 years, ocean acidification has happened at a speed not seen for around 60 million years, said Carol Turley at Plymouth Marine Laboratory.
This threatens coral reef development and could lead to the extinction of some species within decades, as well as to an increase in the number of predators....
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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Mar 28, 2012 - 09:54pm PT
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Brian
climber
California
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Mar 28, 2012 - 10:27pm PT
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Ed, I appreciate you refuting each denial claim with scientific facts & articles. Cold hard facts is the only way to shut up the deniers.
Alas, no. Cold, hard facts often re-intrench people in their existing cognitive errors, via a phenomenon called "backfire": http://www.dartmouth.edu/~nyhan/nyhan-reifler.pdf
What we need to do is alter people's narrative about the world, so that they will then be open to new facts (new for them). Unfortunately, this is a harder job than simply bombarding them with more facts and data, but it needs to be done (along with continuing the data bombardment--fire away IPCC, Chiloe, Ed, and others!).
Brian
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Brian
climber
California
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Mar 28, 2012 - 11:47pm PT
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What we need to do is alter people's narrative about the world,
Good luck with that. you may as well push sh#t up hill with a stick.
Yeah, civil rights, women's suffrage, child labor... societies never make major shifts in narrative worldview.
I'm just poking fun for the most part. I realize it's a damn near insurmountable challenge, but it has to happen for people to accept the facts about climate change that the rest of us think so important. It is, to use a well-worn trope, an 'inconvenient truth' about the way people think and process information.
Brian
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new world order-
climber
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Apr 10, 2012 - 12:11am PT
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“The common enemy of humanity is man. In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. All these dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only through changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome. The real enemy then, is humanity itself.”
Club of Rome, The First Global Revolution
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Humans are the invasive species, and therefore must be culled.
We can start with voluntary abortion, euthanasia, and sterilization.
These procedures can be funded by the taxpayer.
UK Funds Forced Sterilisation of India's Poor
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/apr/15/uk-aid-forced-sterilisation-india
http://www.infowars.com
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Apr 12, 2012 - 07:47pm PT
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 12, 2012 - 09:00pm PT
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Nice one Karl.
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dirtbag
climber
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Apr 12, 2012 - 09:49pm PT
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Last year--I think--a lot of the "skeptics" here were crowing about the unseasonably cold winter, and how it disproves global warming.
Well, now we have an unseasonably warm winter.
I actually don't think a winter or two or three or four worth of data shows much either way
But still...if these folks think one winter can disprove something, why are their mouth shuts this time round when the data swings the other way?
(Answer: because they are actually propaganda-spewing bullshitters, uninterested in the truth.)
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Apr 12, 2012 - 10:26pm PT
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Notice how the biggest climate change deniers seem to be owners of monster diesel trucks , 30 ft. trailers , and several ORV's .....?
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 13, 2012 - 03:04pm PT
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Word of the Day: schadenfreude
Writing as a Venice Beach resident, this is not an abstract concern, but a very real long term worry. Of course, there will be the usual global warming denial from the shill shop trolls who have their interns or lowest level staffers post here. All I hope for in that regard is I get the opportunity to have a measure of schadenfreude as they flounder in the mess their paymasters created. It will be even better if said paid trolls clamber to the entrance of their paymasters fortresses and desperately plead for admittance and are turned away like beggars in the night.
From the comments to the article: Study: Historic Rise to Sea Levels in Pacific Ocean Linked to Climate Change
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corniss chopper
climber
breaking the speed of gravity
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Apr 13, 2012 - 04:59pm PT
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dirtbag - tap your head against a wall a couple of times and wake up
some brain cells.
The AGW narrative is a clever scam to separate you from your money.
And you should be glad it was warmer than normal this winter because giga
tons of CO2 did not go into the atmosphere with the lessened need to heat homes as much.
Ha Ha! problem solved. Warmists have been screaming for reduction
of CO2 emissions. How surprising a warmer climate solves and negates the
core scare tactic of the AGW faithful.
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Apr 13, 2012 - 06:30pm PT
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Tornado just missed my house about thirty minutes ago.
Watched it coming and got in the shelter. I don't think it killed anyone from what I hear.
Another supercell is coming in right now.
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