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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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May 12, 2014 - 11:34am PT
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I have been working with the BLM since 1984 starting in the San Luis Valley and then at Shelf Rd. Always helpful and they have really stepped up to the plate when it comes to climbers in the area.
Climbers are far from perfect but just like Jim the BLM has told me that they enjoy working with climbers and find them to be for most of the time...respectful.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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May 12, 2014 - 11:36am PT
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Hey Bob how many guns did it take to get the Man to be cooperative?
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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May 12, 2014 - 11:38am PT
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Zip...Philo. Shelf Rd....over 100,000 users days last year, great trails, great climbing and great campgrounds.
San Luis Valley/Penitente Canyon...over 55,000 users days last year, great mountain bike trails, great campsite and great climbing.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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May 12, 2014 - 11:41am PT
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No Guns? No armed stand offs? Where's the patriotism in that?
Sheesh what do you think this is America or something. :-)
Oh wait my mistake this is ColoRADo not NeevadaStan it all makes sense now..
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nita
Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
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May 12, 2014 - 11:44am PT
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And that is the 4443 .. working together as a community, instead of forcing your will with guns.
"We are all at each other's mercy, and if you have this dream of destruction, it's not going to come out well for all of us."
Sam Baker.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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May 12, 2014 - 11:45am PT
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Yeah, I had guessed it was the cheap plastic stands on it's own kinda flag. Helluva way to respect the Stars and Stripes
Isnt that a bit ironic? I find absolutely nothing ironic about working with the BLM, USFS, NPS, State Parks, private parties to work out land access issues.
I've been directly involved with State Parks on both master planning and fire road maintenance. We've had "issues" which we've worked out to mutual satisfaction.
What I find ironic is in the 21st century there are antediluvian troglodytes who believe that blustering around with ATVs, semiautomatic firearms and children is the American way to achieve goals.
Teach your children well.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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May 12, 2014 - 11:51am PT
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This one is moving. Helmets for the kiddies? What helmets?
I really hope that AR-15 is loaded and off safety
Love the patriotic T-shirt
WTF? Our big guy is driving a Honda???? He must be a BLM mole in disguise. Real Men drive Deeres.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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May 12, 2014 - 12:05pm PT
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Ron wrote: Isnt that a bit ironic?
Yes it is...we were carrying shovels, not guns.
Your crew are bat sh#t crazy.
Ron wrote: Did you know we have folks lined up at our doors three hours before opening on fridays to be the first in line for the weekly ammo shipments?
Yes the little boys must play war.
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thebravecowboy
climber
in the face of the fury of the funk
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May 12, 2014 - 12:06pm PT
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johnboy
Trad climber
Can't get here from there
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May 12, 2014 - 12:08pm PT
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Is the child riding up front of the 4 wheeler a shield incase of BLM gun fire?
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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May 12, 2014 - 12:10pm PT
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Just did the FA of this 12a in the San Luis Valley. no guns, just a bosch.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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May 12, 2014 - 12:15pm PT
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he Organized off road clubs are indeed often a shining example of how to behave and contribute.
This is where the Angeles Chapter of the Sierra Club screwed up many years ago. The forced out the Back Road Explorers Section, a good group of 4WD folks who cared about the land they traveled. Some hot headed wilderness "purists" forced them out in a very short sighted move.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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May 12, 2014 - 12:15pm PT
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How many of you wear helmets while climbing? Do your kids? Yes, and yes. As well as downhill skiing and bicycling. A child's brain is a terrible thing to waste.
Mine's already wasted. I need to conserve as much of it as I can.
Gary
good point, but then how do you keep out the reckless off road users? The rotten apples spoil the barrel.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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May 12, 2014 - 12:17pm PT
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Wimins n chilin furst.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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May 12, 2014 - 12:23pm PT
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Just look at the scene around Index Washington. Most forest service roads have been closed and gated specifically to try to keep the drunk gun and ATV nuts out
This aggression must not stand, Mr Obammy tear down that gate.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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May 12, 2014 - 12:24pm PT
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Bob said Just did the FA of this 12a in the San Luis Valley. no guns, just a bosch.
But without an openly carried gun, can you really call it "free?"
Concealed carry is aid.
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dirtbag
climber
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May 12, 2014 - 12:36pm PT
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I'm sure I'm not the only one here who would not shed a tear if some of those dumb, redneck, secessionist sonsofbitches ended up with their asses shot off sometime.
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nita
Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
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May 12, 2014 - 12:42pm PT
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As a former resident of shell rd, 5th house on right before the locked gate.
..I have to agree with Dingus..
edit from below..Before the dam was built (the Bureau of Reclamation) ..it was private cattle ranching land with a locked gate..no public use of any kind . I knew the former owner.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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May 12, 2014 - 12:45pm PT
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I think all users have a right to use certain lands...some lands cannot take the abuse/use by certain users....period.
We have evolve.
Some groups haven't.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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May 12, 2014 - 12:49pm PT
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I live in Ouray where four wheelers congregate in summer and I climb a lot on BLM land. While the majority of four wheelers are responsible, a significant minority are not....to the extent that, taken as a whole, they are not a desirable user group on public lands.
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