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John M
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tongue in cheek..
Look.. its not that hard to figure out. A million years or so ago some planet sent out a science mission to study the earth. They set up a monitoring station on the moon. Just like we have done in places like the arctic. At the time the Earth wasn't that interesting to study, because well we were mostly cavemen,, and over time the hard right Republicans on that planet took over and spent all their money on wars and such, and inflated real estate, so that the planet was broke and then the anti science people started complaining about the wasted money being spent studying a fledgling planet like the Earth, and so they pulled out, but left a bunch of buildings and a wrecked space craft that was too damaged to repair so far from the home planet.
I mean come on. These stories play out over and over again. This times it just involves a society that is lightyears ahead of us in technology, and to them, we were the penguins in the antarctic to be studied.
No big deal. Unless of course you are the penguin just now realizing that there are things out there smarter then you. heh heh
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Winemaker
Sport climber
Yakima, WA
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Tongue in cheek John M? Me thinks not. You, sir, have described the Thetans.
Better read your L. Ron.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 2, 2016 - 12:51pm PT
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Already answered the question way back at the beginning of this massive thread.
I think the whole UFO phenomenon (which is real) has to do with Satan (the prince of the power of the air), his minions, fallen angels, and the off-spring that fallen angels had with Earth women, the Nephilim. The Good Book goes into great detail on all of this. There was an Angelic age for billions of years before man was ever here of Earth. Before the destruction of the Earth after man was here, there was the time of Noah. Great sin the world over. I think the Nephilim tried to make an escape. They were half human and half angel. Strong. Very intelligent. Very wicked.
Nothing is new under the Sun.
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Winemaker
Sport climber
Yakima, WA
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That air scoop on top there looks pretty functional and aerodynamic for an interstellar craft.
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Man, I love the feel of turbolag, oldschool powersurge right there yeah.
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Gene
climber
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I enhanced the above photo.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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the whole UFO phenomenon (which is real) has to do with Satan (the prince of the power of the air)
Satan always uses Huge Turbo scoops on all his spacecraft
It just looks so cool
So they're not from some far off planet that have come here to probe us?
Some many aliens? so many different reasons they're here?
Have the aliens admitted to be part of Satan's army?
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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The whole UFO phenomenon is definitely real, but visiting aliens, satan and angels are not.
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Winemaker
Sport climber
Yakima, WA
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Gene, my thoughts exactly!!!!! Pretty cool aliens to know about muscle cars.
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rmuir
Social climber
From the Time Before the Rocks Cooled.
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Jeez… This drivel sure has legs. (And it seems to only take one iterative wingnut to keep it going…)
The Apollo 20 was a mission which never got off the ground; NASA cancelled it, along with Apollo 18 and 19. Apollo 20 never existed, so posting doctored photos from a nonexistent lunar mission to bolster bogus claims is just about as useful to your cause as are the fictions of Nephilim, Satan, Noah, lunar aliens, and the Angelic Age. Your fantasies are anything but convincing… And no one here believes your nonsense.
Wikipedia piece on the Apollo 20 hoaxes:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_20_hoax
But go ahead, keep polishing your reputation as an unabashed unrealist.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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Winemaker
Sport climber
Yakima, WA
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For me one of the most fascinating aspects of this whole thing is that Klimmer is a SCIENCE teacher.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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my lasting impression of this thread is simply that Klimmer has repeatedly stated that the "truth" is about to be revealed... over 6 years now... and that we are still waiting.
To fill in as we wait, the same old stuff is dredged up.
That is usually a symptom of a crank idea... it doesn't get stronger with time, it just stays on the edge of the possible (not that I think this is remotely possible).
I'm sure the thread will last the lifetime of STForum... ebbing and flowing... and serve as a pulse of sorts of the rather strange demographic of conspiracy believers who are sure their particular fantasies are real and being suppressed by "the authorities" who ever they may be.
Importantly, conspiracy theories survive in a strange evolutionary manner, eventually selected by a "fitness" landscape which prunes those parts of the "theory" that are demonstrably untrue, leaving only those pieces that cannot be challenged... and thus conveying the status as "possible."
Not everything that is possible is probable.
But it does make for interesting sociology.
Anticipating klimmer's criticism that I am not curious, I would say that I am very curious, but there are many things to be curious about and only so much time in which to satisfy that curiosity, so I choose to follow those curiosities which have a likely chance of being explained.
What is curious here, to me, is that anyone would believe this stuff... and that, at least, has a chance of an answer.
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brotherbbock
Trad climber
Alta Loma, CA
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For me one of the most fascinating aspects of this whole thing is that Klimmer is a SCIENCE teacher
I wonder if he talks about this stuff with his students?
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 4, 2016 - 08:17am PT
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And yet so many founding Fathers of modern science were also men of faith. The essence of Natural Philosophy, to understand the physical world and the spiritual world. I would argue those who don't pursue both are using only half their brain.
Sir Isaac Newton did not discuss issues of faith and theology with his students and neither do I. And I've said this many times. Hopefully we are a little more free to speak our mind on ST. I would hope we are a little bit more open minded and free to pursue intellectual thought no matter where it leads in a public forum. Freedom of thought should blossom here.
Sir Isaac Newton was/is absolutely brilliant by all accounts, yet by far most of his writings have to do with Theology. He was very interested in G-d and knowing the nature of G-d. By studying science are you not studying the nature of G-d and how G-d does things? G-d is the most fantastic brilliant mathematician, physicist, and chemist the Universe or Universes have ever known. He should be he designed it. It's not chaotic but ordered by natural laws of nature. There are spiritual laws and there are natural laws. Get to know both.
Even Newton realized there was a time in our very distant past where we knew more and knew many secrets of the natural world and we had to rediscover them. He knew about the Nephilim.
He also predicted when Yeshua (Jesus) would return according to all his studies of the subject, 100s and 100s of pages of studies regarding this. His best prediction was not before 2060 AD.
He was way, way ahead of his time in so many ways. He was very blessed by HaShem with the gift of insight and intelligence. G-d bestows many gifts and blessings on his children, especially those who seek him and want a personal relationship with him. That's what he wants with everyone.
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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All I know is Jesus is gonna be pissed off if he returns...
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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The sons of God coming in to the daughters of man just sounds so damn nasty doesn't it?
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Winemaker
Sport climber
Yakima, WA
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Geez Ricky, it's part of the AERODYNAMICAL stuff, to reduce friction and improve mileage. When you're going interstellar you've got to have good mileage.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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He also predicted when Yeshua (Jesus) would return according to all his studies of the subject, 100s and 100s of pages of studies regarding this. His best prediction was not before 2060 AD.
if the "He" references Newton, then it is important to point out that Newton didn't believe it was possible to make such predictions from the Bible, and did not make them himself except to show the futility in such an effort.
That is another interpretation, and a more scholarly one, then the posthumous-born-again appropriation of Newton's spiritual activities.
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Winemaker
Sport climber
Yakima, WA
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Charles: Nope, this is the real deal. Klimmer actually believes this stuff. I ran across this thread a year or so ago and got totally sucked in; I hate to admit it but I've read the whole thing. It was like fascination with a poisonous snake. Klimmer, who is a science teacher, does most of his research on youtube, since that is where most conspiracy stuff is hidden in a purloined letter sort of way.
In the early days of the thread he was serial posting more than the Chief did; morning, during breaks between classes, at lunch, at home after work, at night, late at night, then all over again. I honestly don't know how he, at some points, had time to do normal living type stuff, like eating, sleeping, bathing, or talking to his family.
The religious aspect of this is probably what drives him, but I don't know why he fears to spell out G_d's name; I suspect G_d would be a bit forgiving and understanding, just as we allow the bacteria beneath our boots some leeway in the respect department.
It's a fascinating read, in a weird way.
Continue, Klimmer.
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