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Da_Dweeb

climber

Oct 27, 2011 - 05:43pm PT

It's interesting what you're doing right now ElCap, but I'm disinclined to play along. If you want to minimize my point of view rather than directly address it, well, I can't stop you, but I get to choose how to respond to that.

In this case, I'll simply let what I've written stand.

Mimi comes at this from 30 years of hate and vitriol. And haters are going to keep right on hating.

Transmission

climber

Dallas, TX

Oct 27, 2011 - 06:00pm PT

"Abusive ad hominem (also called personal abuse or personal attacks) usually involves insulting or belittling one's opponent in order to attack his claim or invalidate his argument, but can also involve pointing out factual but apparent character flaws or actions that are irrelevant to the opponent's argument. This tactic is logically fallacious because insults and negative facts about the opponent's personal character have nothing to do with the logical merits of the opponent's arguments or assertions."

That's all ElCap-the-azz-hole has.

It's all that Mimi has too. Her utterly stupid argument about movie critics and music several hundred posts back made me bust a gut; the level of conviction that was quite apparent in her assertions was absolutely hilarious.

Mimi, movie critics actually watch the movies they have opinions about. People who go to concerts actually hear the music they critique. That's the difference here.

You have zero experience with the climb itself, your personal climbing experience amounts to absolutely nothing of consequence (and I would bet a 24-pack that you can't live up to Steve's high-and-mighty standards, much like the shithead himself cannot live up to --- how much dirt and rock have you moved in your life, Steve?), and your various adolescent, menopause-induced outbursts throughout have been utterly laughable.

It's okay to be jelly of people who have done something of note, Mimi, really. But you should consider that after all these years, you are not only a fat cow, but an ugly fat cow.

In closing: Moo.

Elcapinyoazz

Social climber

Joshua Tree

Oct 27, 2011 - 06:08pm PT

Elcapinyoazz, you ever climb Wings of Steel?

Nope. Given the question, I take it you rode the short bus to school?

So Ponyperv, what you've "written" has been largely composed of posting little girl pictures while attempting to speak authoritatively about an activity of which you have no direct knowledge.

Personally, I couldn't give two shits about your buddies' route which doesn't take an actual line on the cliff. If they get their rocks off hooking and drilling up blanks slabs, more power to them. Has no effect on me or my climbing.

But I do grow extremely tired of a...I'm gonna peg you at about 25, year old asssclown blabbing off at the mouth about something they know nothing about, attempting to dominate a thread while being clearly WAY out of their depth on the subject at hand, and posting a bunch of child's pics as a substitute for legit input, all as a water-carrying exercise for their buddy, who apparently ain't got the sack to defend himself or knows he has no defense.

Da_Dweeb

climber

Oct 27, 2011 - 06:29pm PT

ElCap-

I don't need to be the authority on the issue to be able to read and disseminate the second ascent report. I addressed Mimi's points directly, logically, and coherently based on that report as my source, and I believe that stands in marked contrast to the way you paint the picture. But if you do see any pony pictures up there, feel free to point them out to me.

It's also interesting that you try to reframe my post as a deficiency or insufficient sack on the part of the FA team to defend themselves, something I'm sure they're perfectly willing to do if and when they feel so inclined. I wonder though, if and when they should come back around and post on the issue, will you be one of those who jump on them to "LET IT GO"?

graniteclimber

Trad climber

The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division

Oct 27, 2011 - 06:39pm PT

But I do grow extremely tired of a...I'm gonna peg you at about 25, year old asssclown blabbing off at the mouth about something they know nothing about, attempting to dominate a thread while being clearly WAY out of their depth on the subject at hand,

ElCap, it's mean of you to call Mimi an asssclown, but I'm sure she'll take you're pegging her as a 25 year old as a compliment.

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climber

Dallas, TX

Oct 27, 2011 - 08:02pm PT

"blabbing off at the mouth about something they know nothing about"

Were you born retarded, or did your molester father drop you on your head after he was through with you one evening (which also explains your name)?

You're doing what you accuse this other person of doing, ElCapAssClown.

nick d

Trad climber

Oct 27, 2011 - 10:21pm PT

Tranny, if you are running down Steve's standards that makes it really clear you haven't done any of his climbs in Arizona. They didn't call it the Sydicata Granitica for nothing. Drill holes to make a climb softer? You could just f*#king forget that pal. Back in the day if there was a bush to rap off of, no way any real hardman was was even going to drill rap anchors. You could get the sh#t beaten out of you for just using chalk. Arizona hardmen were as hard as they get and Steve was right at the top of the pyramid. Those guys set some incredibly high standards and a big part of that was "leave no trace".

Not sure how old you are, but environmentalism used to be a driving force in climbing. I'm sure that's a lost part of climbing these days, powerdrilling as many FA's as possible to make your "reputation". I'm equally sure it's what pissed off the Yosemite locals, watching two incompetents chipping and drilling their way up a wall they had no business on.

My nickname is Nick Danger, my real name is Mike Smith. I don't need to hide behind some internet facade. I've never changed my views on what climbing is all about, and preserving the environment is a big part of that. We didn't call it clean climbing for nothing bud.

Oh, by the way, hows the climbing in Dallas?

Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber

I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!

Oct 27, 2011 - 10:23pm PT

is this an airplane thread?

MSmith

Big Wall climber

Portland, Oregon

Oct 27, 2011 - 10:29pm PT

Now that another party has completed the upper pitches where the FA can't claim the drilled holes were due to someone else, the case is closed.

Mimi,

The thing that seems the most closed here is your mind. Perhaps you will recall this:?

I hope Ammon does well and finally puts this nonsense to rest. The damned route has been done for all practical purposes by several parties. I want to see it mostly freed by some awesome slab climber. It's all about the haters vs. the lovers on this one.

http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=72849&tn=445

So what is it? Climbers were all over it before this summer ... or not? Seems that the answer is whatever you want it to be whenever you want it.

Matt

Trad climber

primordial soup

Oct 27, 2011 - 11:11pm PT

I'm gonna call bullshit on that post ^^^ right there.
It's not as if their are hoards of closet slab-hooking aid freaks out there, just waiting dozens of years to ascend the great slab in secret, like i guess in the dark or something, just to get their fix, can we agree on that? so the realistic ventures up WoS have been known about, if not always screamed about on ST, and nobody who has the time, patience, and skill to get up it would be very likely to then add bathook ladders so they could then NOT REPORT the 2nd ascent, and that's essentially what you are suggesting.

further, ammon also stated that he could not pass the sections in question w/out the bathooks, so you are also asking us to believe that you were able where he was not (which few will accept, obviously, but feel free to make that case if that's your new line)

MSmith

Big Wall climber

Portland, Oregon

Oct 27, 2011 - 11:17pm PT

Matt,

You read into my post more than I said. What I did say is that Mimi has it both ways. Climbers were all over the route. But now "the FA can't claim the drilled holes were due to someone else." And she makes here latest claim with such support that the "case is closed."

WBraun

climber

Oct 27, 2011 - 11:35pm PT

When will the 3rd ascent start to investigate the second ascent and the 1st ascent?

When will all you people go to bed?

Dweeb dude probably never sleeps running all this crap thru his head.

Will you ever go to sleep.

Ryan Tetz

Trad climber

Flagstaff, AZ

Oct 28, 2011 - 12:15am PT

Respect Wings of Steel. Regardless of what exact hole count plus or minus 10 bathooks??? Really you guys can get worked up forever have fun. The route was bold. For the lesser "experience" you all rage about it was bold. Who cares if you agree with it. Respect it, it's there, it's hard, new wave A3 was A5 at the time it went up soooo easy oh mannnnn call my mommy. Yall need to chill and go climb. When I get old and disgruntled at least I'll be out there climbing something instead of circle jerking on the internet over a wild line being in with the cool kids.... Criticism resent lasts a life time. Being wrong feels like being right. All these people are seemingly incapable of empathizing out of their own perspective. I'm going climbing. Get over it move on boys! Nothing better to do?

edejom

Boulder climber

Butte, America

Oct 28, 2011 - 12:46am PT

Mimi=Me, me...

Dinosaurs yawning with their squaws in tow will all but die off and be never heard from again--history will be behind the WOS team, and the Grossman fannies will be an asterisk and footnote in a linked "not available" site :-)

Intifada !!!!1111

Matt

Trad climber

primordial soup

Oct 28, 2011 - 01:03am PT

Msmith-
what i have not seen in your post(s) was an emphatic statement that the extra 30 or so holes ammon has apparently encountered (and mentioned in his R&I article), and which he himself required for passage, were not yours.

if in fact there was all these thousands of posts about whether scraping crystals with a drill constituted a drilled placement or not, and the claim was that the hole count was complete, and then there were another 30 holes in bathook ladders, well that'd be a pretty significant omission, would it not?

aren't you guys ticked off that some pussy ass drill happy wanker desecrated your route?