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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Bernie................................Should Have Happened Yesterday.
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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SPARKY.... Let me channel CF for a second.......
"All of those things you listed Hillery doing... LIES, Complete Lies, made up by the vast RIGHT WING conspiracy"
"She will be a great leader, an honest women ....."
Wow that hurt to write that out....
My only desire in this election is that a BUSH and a CLINTON are not the ones running. Thank god BUSH fell out (maybe, the REPUB establishment has a different idea methinks) And I hope Hillery gets to wear an ORANGE JUMPSUIT by mid summer......
I could vote for Bernie, so don't listen to those EXPERTS who KNOW that he couldn't win a general especially if he is running against Lyin Ted or some empty suit the Repubs toss out there after they rig a convention.
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Norton
Social climber
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I like Bernie a lot.
But I don't want him to be the Democratic nominee.
Because the Republicans will bury him with 500 million dollars in negative ads.
They would ridicule his goals as childish and legislatively impossible, of course it
would be they that would guarantee that.
And they would hit him over and over with the big one, he is a "socialist"
Images of Nazi Germany, government takeover of every business in Merika.
Doesn't matter if Hillary or Bernie is President, although Hillary is more likely to win by a bigger Electoral College Landslide, because the Republicans will still control the House and block everything and so there will be nothing but dinner parties coming out of the White House the next eight years, and the Presidency will matter only for Judicial appointments and Foreign Policy. We want and vote for divided government.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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"Because the Republicans will bury him with 500 million dollars in negative ads."
Norton,Berners are not watching TV.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Hillary will be more of the same.
Bernie can't pass any of his progressive agenda while the gop owns the house. I'm not looking for more of the same; I'm looking for a fighter who will keep us from backsliding any further than we have.
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Norton
Social climber
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Norton,Berners are not watching TV.
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people who like Bernie don't watch TV, really?
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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I could vote for Bernie, so don't listen to those EXPERTS who KNOW that he couldn't win a general especially if he is running against Lyin Ted or some empty suit the Repubs toss out there after they rig a convention.
Well said.
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Sparky
Trad climber
vagabond movin on
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This is truly the way I understand it. We're out of balance. Hillary is way right of center....and a crook like the lot of em.
http://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2016
We have forgotten that the middle class needs to be manufactured under a capitalistic society.
http://www.thomhartmann.com/blog/2014/04/middle-class-not-%E2%80%9Cnormal%E2%80%9D
Bernie has a track record of fighting for what he believes. He will help re-manufacture the failing middle class since Reagan's revolt against it 30 some years ago by educating, focusing, and collectively vocalizing the 99% back to center.
Plenty will disagree by shouting nativity
Plenty lack vision
Few lead
Change is always difficult
When wealth is spread more equally among all parts of society, people start to expect more from society and start demanding more rights. That leads to social instability, which is feared and hated by conservatives, even though revolutionaries and liberals like Thomas Jefferson welcome it.
Lots of fear by people who refuse to go all in.
Do or Do NOT. There is no try in changing one's social position. Micro or Macro.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Might be well said, but Bernie still can't win the general.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Totally Accurate.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Bernie still can't win the general.
Bernie can surprise a LOT of people. Let the Repubs put up either Trump or Cruz, and I think a LOT of "sleepers" are going to wake up to the reality that either of those choices offer.
If you're going to presume voting along party lines, regardless of party-candidate, then Bernie has better than a "fighting chance." How many Democrats are going to cross party lines to avoid Bernie?
If you get any significant number of independents and (like me) libertarians put off by the Republican option, Bernie is a shoe-in.
Why so glum about his prospects in the general election? I think you're more likely to lose Democrats over a Clinton nomination than a Sanders nomination.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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The south won't vote for Bernie, a lot of the west won't either. It's not a doable proposition.
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Sparky
Trad climber
vagabond movin on
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Bernie does better in Caucasus over closed primaries. What that tells me is that independents when given the chance will cross over for him. If Bernie can take Hillary, then he should be fine in the general.
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Norton
Social climber
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Is everyone really aware of the almost impossible math of Bernie picking up the needed delegates from this point forward?
Wishful thinking is a pretty poor predictor
http://fivethirtyeight.com/politics/
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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What that tells me is that independents when given the chance will cross over for him. If Bernie can take Hillary, then he should be fine in the general.
I agree.
And I will NOT vote for Clinton. So, for a lot of people like me, Clinton is not an option, regardless of what the Republicans put up. If anything, we'll see a significant uptick in votes for third-parties if Clinton is the nominee. Or we'll see a significant reduction in independents voting at all.
Contrary to the "popular wisdom" (perpetrated by the establishment and their media), Clinton is not a "done deal" even if she gets the nomination.
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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I believe you've made that point. 356 times.
And remember the fantasy about Hillary in handcuffs?
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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I believe you've made that point. 356 times.
Whew. Really?
I'm just getting warmed up.
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Flip Flop
climber
Earth Planet, Universe
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We might elect a hash slinging Muslim surfer from the Kenyan Islands but there's no way that we'll elect a
Jew-ish white guy from some Vermontian gulag.
Or mightn't we? Buahahahaha.
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