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HighDesertDJ
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Guys I heard that the DNC was pulling for the candidate who actually wants to lead the DNC can someone confirm this?
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nah000
climber
no/w/here
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the above is one of the few times where i've seen bernie act exceptionally unpresidential and unleader-like.
unfortunately, while i agree with his critique of clinton, by stooping to her level first by exaggerating what she actually said [she did not say he was unqualified rather she refused to answer] and then secondly by framing his criticism towards her as a response to something that is patently mistaken [his own qualifications] he actually ends up unintentionally [and for most i suspect unconsciously] reinforcing to many that he is still on some level an outsider, may still not be to some extent qualified and therefore may not be ready to lead.
strong leaders don't get involved in an "i'm rubber and you are glue" style of rhetoric. and given what bernie is trying to accomplish he has to be near perfect as a leader if he has any hope of actually pulling anything off.
and so while it may seem like a minor slip up and his campaign has always been hanging on by a thread, i suspect that his saying this in the way that he did is going to send out the ripples that cut his last remaining [non-judicial based] thread...
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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You should vote for the candidate that the media wants you to vote for then.
You will never see or hear their gaffs.
You will only hear what they want you to hear,i.e The Daily News OPINION.[have you heard the interview?].
It pains me to hear that someone is "not presidential"when they are speaking the Truth.
Never mind I have not seen ONE Hillary sign or even bumper sticker here in Upstate New York,but ,have seen dozens of Bernies in places I would not expect around me.
The Senator from Vermont has had to fight for everything he has.
Not so much for the former Secretary.
Edit;I mean think about it,Are you Qualified to be the POTUS if you voted for the Iraq War?
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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willbeer posted The Senator from Vermont has had to fight for everything he has.
Not so much for the former Secretary.
Edit;I mean think about it,Are you Qualified to be the POTUS if you voted for the Iraq War?
What kind of drug regimen do you use to maintain this level of delusion?
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Great answer .
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John Duffield
Mountain climber
New York
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Obama, really lowered the bar for qualification. Hadn't even finished a full term as Senator. Both Hillary and Bernie, are much more qualified than either Obama or the two leading Republicans. But the fact is, the only one out there, really "qualified" is Joe Biden. Al Gore perhaps. None of them running.
What a sad state of affairs. Five candidates, all with either low positives or high negatives.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Hey Bernie Sanders supporters (eg Nutjob), what do you think?
Sanders Over the Edge
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/08/opinion/sanders-over-the-edge.html
Krugman (New York New York New York) lays it out.
Hello New York!
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...has had to fight for everything he has. Not so much for the former Secretary.
C'mon, where have you been. She's been fighting - and fighting the good fight - for 20 plus years if not sooner, starting with that "vast right wing conspiracy" - that is worth some notice and kudos.
and, glad to say, those "dishonesty" and "not trustworthy" labels (obviously VRWC labels) don't stick with me not one smidge. No more than Benghazi.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Man,another NY Times or W Post opinion.......
She does have a lot of sack,if she only did not accept super pac money,she would have more.
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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But the fact is, the only one out there, really "qualified" is Joe Biden
Good ole Joe "Double Barrel" Biden. Sigh. Yeah, he's the leader to take us to the next level.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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If Hillary has "sac" then why is she still married to Bill? It couldn't be expediency, could it?
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John Duffield
Mountain climber
New York
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He was afraid of Hillary and I bet he kicks himself for chickening out so early, every time he watches the news.
Perhaps, but his Sons death, really rocked his world. Maybe it was all he could do to hang in there and not leave the President in the lurch. I can't imagine.
But then there's Paul Ryan, who appears to be starting to have regrets. Comments, are revealing.
http://www.speaker.gov/video/politics-these-days
What really bothers me the most about politics these days is this notion of identity politics: that we’re going to win an election by dividing people, rather than inspiring people on our common humanity and our common ideals and our common culture on the things that should unify us. We all want to be prosperous. We all want to be healthy. We want everybody to succeed. We want people to reach their potential in their lives.
"Now, liberals and conservatives are going to disagree with one another on that. No problem. That’s what this is all about.
"So let’s have a battle of ideas. Let’s have a contest of whose ideas are better and why our ideas are better."
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Brings me right back to Bernie's question.
Are you qualified to be the POTUS if you voted for the Iraq War?
Call me names and make assumptions about me,
Or just answer a question .
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dirtbag
climber
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Are you qualified to be the POTUS if you voted for the Iraq War?
Yes.
(Although if you look at her record, her approval was contingent on several conditions that she mistakenly believed the Bush administration would honor.)
She said it was a mistake.
Ideally she would not have voted for it.
But the world is far to complex to boil things down to a single vote or a single issue.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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What really bothers me the most about politics these days is this notion of identity politics: that we’re going to win an election by dividing people, rather than inspiring people on our common humanity and our common ideals and our common culture on the things that should unify us. We all want to be prosperous. We all want to be healthy. We want everybody to succeed. We want people to reach their potential in their lives.
 Paul Ryan
Listen to what I say, but don't dare look at what I do.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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But the world is far to complex to boil things down to a single vote or a single issue.
True. But she's been on the wrong side of MANY issues, including the banks/corporations that she's perpetually in bed with.
Look at the money-flow differences between Clinton and Sanders, and there is no comparison.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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I agree MB.
While I may have boiled it down to one thing ,Bernie certainly did not.
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Bernie's done. Get over it. Guy's nothing but slogans.
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Sparky
Trad climber
vagabond movin on
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Bernie's done? Bah. It takes willful blindness (and weapons grade stupidity) to vote for Hillary.
Panama papers stirred the nest.
THE SOUND OF SILENCE: Hillary Clinton Doesn’t Want You to Hear Her Fundraising Plea
http://coloradopeakpolitics.com/2016/04/08/the-sound-of-silence-hillary-clinton-doesnt-want-you-to-hear-her-fundraising-plea/
http://observer.com/2016/04/panama-papers-reveal-clintons-kremlin-connection/
Please Recognize Your Privilege If You Can Afford 8 Years of Hillary Clinton and the Status Quo
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tony-brasunas/please-recognize-privilege-8-years-of-hillary-clinton_b_9591922.html
http://www.thomhartmann.com/blog/2014/04/middle-class-not-%E2%80%9Cnormal%E2%80%9D
Get your head out of the sand and google any of the following:
Huffington Post: Clintons Bagged at Least $3.4 Million for 18 Speeches Funded by Keystone Pipeline Banks
New York Times: Clinton Foundation Shook Down a Tiny Tsunami Relief Nonprofit for a $500,000 Speaking Fee
New York Magazine: Clinton Foundation “Strong-Armed” Charity Watchdog Group
International Business Times: Hillary Clinton’s State Dept. Gave Clinton Foundation Donors Weapons Deals
Washington Post: Clintons Hid 1,100 Foreign Donor Names in Violation of Ethics Agreement with Obama Admin.
Vox: At Least 181 Clinton Foundation Donors Lobbied Hillary’s State Dept.
BuzzFeed: Two of Hillary Clinton’s Top Donors Were Major Felons
Daily Beast: Clintons’ Charity Scored Millions from Qatar and Donations from Corrupt FIFA Soccer Organization
Associated Press: The Clintons’ Have a Secret “Pass-Through” Company—WJC, LLC
New York Times: Hillary Funneled $10K Monthly Payments to Sidney Blumenthal Through Clinton Foundation
New Yorker: Bill Clinton Scored a $500,000 Speech in Moscow Paid for by a Kremlin-backed Bank
Washington Post: Hillary Clinton’s Brother Sits on the Board of a Mining Co. that Received a Coveted Haitian “Gold Exploitation Permit” that Has Only Twice Been Awarded in 50 Years. Rodham Met the Mining Executive in Charge of the Company at a Clinton Foundation Event.
New York Times: Court Proceedings Reveal Hillary’s Brother Claimed Admits Clinton Foundation and the Clintons Are Key to His Haiti Connections
Wall Street Journal: Clinton Foundation Violated Memorandum of Understanding with the Obama Admin. By Keeping Secret a Foreign Donation of Two Million Shares of Stock from a Foreign Executive with Business Before Hillary’s State Dept.
New York Times: Hillary Clinton’s Campaign Claims She Had No Idea Her State Dept. Was Considering Approving the Transfer of 20% of U.S. Uranium to the Russian Govt.—Even as the Clinton Foundation Bagged $145 Million in Donations from Investors in the Deal
Bloomberg: A For-Profit University Put Bill Clinton on Its Payroll and Scored a Jump in Funding from Hillary Clinton’s State Dept. When Clinton Cash Revealed the Scheme, Bill Clinton Quickly Resigned.
New York Times: The Head of the Russian Govt’s Uranium Company Ian Telfer Made Secret Donations Totaling $2.35 Million to the Clinton Foundation—as Hillary Clinton’s State Dept. Approved the Transfer of 20% of All U.S. Uranium to the Russians
Washington Post: Bill and Hillary Clinton Have Made at Least $26 Million in Speaking Fees from Entities Who Are Top Clinton Foundation Donors
Washington Free Beacon: Former Clinton Campaign Operative-Turned-ABC News Host George Stephanopoulos Failed to Disclose His $75,000 Donation and Deep Involvement in the Clinton Foundation Before Launching an Attack Interview Against Clinton Cash Author
CNBC: Clinton Foundation Mega Donor Frank Holmes Claimed He Sold Uranium One Before Hillary Clinton’s State Dept. Approved the Russian Transfer—Despite His Company’s Own SEC Filings Proving Otherwise
Politico: Hillary’s Foundation Accepted $1 Million from Human Rights Violator Morocco for a Lavish Event
Not fond of Fox News (or ANY of the major media stations now) however there's plenty here to think about.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Bernie's not perfect, but he's as close to honest as a candidate for president can be, as I see it, and that's good enough.
Honest is good, but that's definitely not good enough. Bernie is the right man for the wrong job in this case as he'll lose the general.
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