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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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If you think the goal of people running the USA since they bathed two civilian Japanese cities in nuclear fire is to "make the world a better place" then you haven't been paying attention.
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 3, 2017 - 10:57pm PT
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Obviously the list of unsavory actions in the world sponsored by our nation is lengthy.
Just shining a light on stuff happening right now that we as citizens can be vocal about, stuff we can make voting decisions based on, to effect change in the world.
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lostinshanghai
Social climber
someplace
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“Patrick, if you want to be smart you need to stop your fixation on Trump.
You need to start thinking about what made possible ascent of Trump to power.
What do you really know about people who voted for Trump and who support him know?
It seems to me that you do not understand them.”
Yury, tell me who you think or where the ascent of Trump’s power came from and tell me some of the names of those people who did?
We are taking about understanding whom and why? Just interested if you know yourself or understand.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Administration narrows access to birth-control coverage under Affordable Care Act
So finally it is revealed in deed, not just in word. The goal is to abolish birth control, and get those women back into the kitchen with dozens of kids.......
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Red is just a state of mind, eh?
Deliver(ance) us from evil, Amen.
Something like 35% of folks surveyed support Trump.
Nobody needs to characterize their thinking [sic] process. Just get him out of the White House and into jail.
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August West
Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
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What do you really know about people who voted for Trump and who support him know?
It seems to me that you do not understand them.”
Nothing new about an angry populist making fantasy promises and stirring up fears, bigotry and nationalism.
Nothing new about the economic, social, and political conditions that cause some people to vote for an authoritarian leaning populist.
Same sh#t, different day.
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Bushman
climber
The state of quantum flux
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I could say a lot more about the hypocrisy of power, religion, racism, sexism, and domestic abuse of which I've seen first hand throughout my entire life, but has become way more prevalent this past year. I am still trying to find the right voice for relating my experiences without being too judgmental, derogatory, or outing certain individuals for which I have such mixed (edit) feelings towards. It's a minefield out there, and it's difficult to remain objective and not wound others too deeply with my words.
Kindness is at a premium in today's world, if only we had the gift of a Fred Rogers type with which to speak our words, they might carry so much more weight.
Donald Trump is the kick them when their down mentality. He is at war with 65% of the American public, along with the rest of the human race. No good will come of it, dark days lie ahead. "A storm is coming, you'll see,… " obviously words ignorantly uttered by the catalyst of apocalyptic events.
I can see I'm not off to a very good start here so for now I'll beg off.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Ken M writes:
"So finally it is revealed in deed, not just in word. The goal is to abolish birth control, and get those women back into the kitchen with dozens of kids....... "
All kinds of birth control is available free of charge at your friendly neighborhood County Health Department, as well as free medical care for women of child-bearing age.
Look into it, and you'll see.
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drF
Trad climber
usa
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It's more nuanced, and it's happening all over the West. The main problem seems to be globalization. People in big cities are used to the cultural diversity. Not so much in rural areas.
The fear of unknown is strong. "Make America great again" means to many, stop changing everything, we want a simple life, stability,
You missed the mark soo many times with that statement Moose.
-"The main problem seems to be globalization". If you believe this then you follow the populist agenda...right?
-You are a white European man who can afford to climb, ski, travel at will. When you're not doing that you are f**ing around on the intardnet. Your life couldn't get much more privileged. You are completely out of touch with what goes on in the 'urban' or 'rural' worlds I suspect. You read about it so you must be an exspurt. Most people your age regardless of where they live are still working and prolly will till they die.
-Happening ALL over the West? What about the Midwest, East, South? WTF does your statement mean?
-WTF does cultural diversity have to do with rural areas and those peoples needs? You must think 'rural' areas means white people that vote for Trump? If that's the case then you are clueless. Rural areas are the only place minorities can afford to live a decent life. Spend some time in a 'rural' area and see who really lives there.
-"stop changing everything, we want a simple life, stability". How dare people want stability. You've been programmed to accept chaos. Should read..."stop fuking everything up, stop the policies that favor urban sesspool prison agendas" Chicago, Baltimore, SF, etc.
-Americans outside of the urban sesspools feel forgotten. That's what MAGA is all about. Not many people really wanted to vote for Trump but the alternative was Hillary. More corrupt liberal BS that only favors the 'urban' initiatives designed to crush the middle class. Hand the city keys to the rich crony politards and their friends. Social experiments destined to fail the 'lab rats'. Time and time again.
For the record I'm a registered DEM but I'm thru with that party until some changes are made. Pelosi and her ilk are every bit as evil as Trumpito and are in bed with the same criminal masters.
Cheers and enjoy your next vacation!
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 6, 2017 - 04:16pm PT
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I'm curious how pro-business/pro-jobs/anti-regulation/whatever-you-want-to-call-it folks think about this issue:
http://nypost.com/2017/10/06/suspected-bee-killing-pesticide-found-in-honey-samples/
To me it's a perfect example of why we need regulations, and why "the free market" can't regulate itself for all issues that affect humanity.
Maybe the silver lining is this: HUGE market opportunity and new jobs with robo-pollinators! Bring back manufacturing jobs!
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c wilmot
climber
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The world is changing whether they like it or not. Manufacturing jobs disappear, and soon automation will replace drivers, clarks, farm workers, etc.
You are correct. The "what then" reality is that those people are now reduced to working low wage jobs. Which is why they are increasingly angry at the liberal agenda of supporting illegals, open borders, and trade agreements that are not favorable to them.
one of the starkest divides between wealthier city folks and poorer people in the country is the fact that the wealthy city folk don't have compete for jobs with millions of people here illegally. Which is why they remain so tone deaf when it comes to the factors that put trump in office.
If your field of work was devalued by illegal workers and suddenly YOUR Privlaged life was in question- would YOU be upset about it?
Or would you capitulate to the...change?.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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DMT, quote or quit.
Not all the 35% are deplorables.....Some of the KKK folks, I'm assured by the President, are "very fine people" "trust me"
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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All kinds of birth control is available free of charge at your friendly neighborhood County Health Department, as well as free medical care for women of child-bearing age.
Look into it, and you'll see.
Hard to imagine someone is so ignorant and contradictory.
Your Saint, Ronald said "Gov't is not the solution to the problem, Gov't IS the problem"----and yet, your solution is a gov't program.
You desire to take middle class women, and require them to access programs designed for the poor---obviously, your plan for them is clear!
And on top of that, your ilk is doing everything imaginable to cut the funding of such programs, so as to make BC unavailable until such time as you can make it illegal to use.
Another GOP attempt to regulate what goes on in people's bedrooms, their goal for decades.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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-Americans outside of the urban sesspools feel forgotten. That's what MAGA is all about. Not many people really wanted to vote for Trump but the alternative was Hillary. More corrupt liberal BS that only favors the 'urban' initiatives designed to crush the middle class. Hand the city keys to the rich crony politards and their friends. Social experiments destined to fail the 'lab rats'. Time and time again.
Trump does not control the keys to the city. Most State Gov'ts are run by the GOP, however.
What does Trump do? He brings in a pile of Billionaires, businessmen who don't know sh#t about what they are being put in charge of. They basically steal from the taxpayer in various ways. The rich cronies are the GOP officeholders.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Clearly and demonstrably bogus claim
Oct 6, 2017 - 04:36pm PT
Labeling 35% of the country as deplorables is wrong
It has pretty much happened on this board every day for, what, 2-years give or take?
Glad you've joined the tiny minority to speak out against it. Welcome to middle America! :)
Demonstrable you say?. Yeah. 291 instances of the d-word on the forum.
Some such as this:
Personally, I thought what Kristen Cooper did to Bode in the interview after his bronze winning race, was deplorable. Who does she think she is, Barbara Walters? Why hammer him on his brother that rec...
Are all Trump supporters "deplorable". Clearly not, but there for sure is a goodly sized chunk all up in there.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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It's not just semantics D. Do the search and read some of those 291 posts.
Let me break down for ya. Who is in the 35% group and what do they think?
And ya want vitriole and bullshit read the posts of your favorite Trump supporters on this forum regarding Hillary Clinton.
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Oct 6, 2017 - 05:01pm PT
The world is changing whether they like it or not. Manufacturing jobs disappear, and soon automation will replace drivers, clarks, farm workers, etc.
You are correct. The "what then" reality is that those people are now reduced to working low wage jobs. Which is why they are increasingly angry at the liberal agenda of supporting illegals, open borders, and trade agreements that are not favorable to them.
one of the starkest divides between wealthier city folks and poorer people in the country is the fact that the wealthy city folk don't have compete for jobs with millions of people here illegally. Which is why they remain so tone deaf when it comes to the factors that put trump in office.
If your field of work was devalued by illegal workers and suddenly YOUR Privlaged life was in question- would YOU be upset about it?
Or would you capitulate to the...change?.
Wait a minute. You agree that automation is replacing jobs, then you go on a rant about illegals taking the jobs of white people. Automation will take the jobs of legals, and illegals. Btw, California farmers say they are losing workers. Some are self deporting, and some are being deported. Want a job, wilmot?
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Understand, in your heart, that msny of them, many! Are good people of whom you'd trust as neighbors and friends. Start with that assumption amd then let each person sadly prove you wrong if they must, one at a time, without prejudice.
My point is simple, by demonizing 'Trump voters' folks alienate good people along with the bad.
"good" people make choices. When the choices they may are supportive of racists and supremacists, then maybe they are not always good people.
All information says that the shooter in Las Vegas was a "good person"---well thought of by neighbors, no trouble with the law. Your knee-jerk reaction to what is a "good person" sounds like it could use a little scrutiny.....
When "good" people make the choice to ally themselves and support women haters and racists, they may make a good BBQ, but that doesn't make them good people.
"You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from ... It is by his deeds that a lad distinguishes himself If his conduct is pure and right. Matthew 7:20
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Don't get over it zBrown. Stay angry. Resist.
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