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corniss chopper

climber
breaking the speed of gravity
Dec 18, 2011 - 02:29am PT
Hey Warmists! Whats the point of building wind turbines if all your
highly paid climate high priests are predicting extreme weather w/ high winds that will just rip them to pieces?

Must see 328ft tall wind turbine exploding, several videos from nearby residents give different views of this engineering oops.

http://toryaardvark.com/2011/12/13/why-wind-turbines-explode/

corniss chopper

climber
breaking the speed of gravity
Dec 18, 2011 - 02:44am PT
German Climate And Energy Experts To Publish Controversial New Book – Reject
Alarmism, Call For Reopening The Debate.

"The Cold Sun, Why The Climate Catastrophe Is Not Taking Place"

synopsis: The IPCC is in error, the models are bogus, and the climate
catastrophe is not coming.

The book also underscores that a transition to renewable energy source is
essential and that we need to do it. But it has to be done rationally and in
a sensible step-by-step approach. Only in this way will it be possible to
make the energy transition while assuring the needs of billions of people on our home planet are humanely met.

http://antigreen.blogspot.com/

rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Dec 18, 2011 - 05:24am PT
Corniss....got anymore bogus info...? RJ
corniss chopper

climber
breaking the speed of gravity
Dec 20, 2011 - 03:39pm PT
my computer does


EU carbon emissions trading scheme is a waste - UBS Report

The Australian reported that Swiss banking giant UBS said that the European
Union's emissions trading scheme has cost the continent's consumers
USD 287 billion for almost
zero impact on cutting carbon emissions, and has
warned that the EU's carbon pricing market is
on the verge of a crash in 2012.


In a damning report to clients, UBS Investment Research said that had the EUR 210 billion the European ETS had cost consumers been used in a targeted approach to replace the EU's dirtiest power plants, emissions could have been reduced by 43% instead of almost zero impact on the back of emissions trading.

http://www.steelguru.com/international_news/EU_carbon_emissions_trading_scheme_is_a_waste_UBS_Report/237771.html

Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Dec 20, 2011 - 07:21pm PT
One more witness, this time from Mt Everest.


Few things come as a surprise to experienced climbers, who must constantly be ready for treacherous terrain or life-or-death changes in the weather. But, when mountaineer and Mt. Everest expert David Breashears first compared his high resolution photographs of the Himalayas with the first Everest photographs taken by George Mallory in 1921, he was floored by the surprising differences.

"I never expected to see climate change at the roof of the world," Breashears recalled. "These glaciers were immutable, the first explorers thought. We all thought they would be here forever, and now we are seeing glaciers sublimate. They are literally turning from solid to gas."

Breashears, the award-winning filmmaker of the IMAX hit Everest, shared his personal stories from multiple Everest expeditions and offered USC students, staff and faculty a special preview of his latest internationally-acclaimed project, a series of high-resolution photographs of Mt. Everest. The October 4th event, sponsored by the Center on Communication Leadership & Policy in conjunction with the USC US-China Institute, was an opportunity for Breashears to share with a younger audience his passionate appeal for action on climate change.

"I hate to say it, but the world is a mess," Breashears cautioned the audience as he began his presentation. "We aren't just standing still; we are working backwards."
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Dec 20, 2011 - 07:26pm PT
The American Association for the Advancement of Science is having its 2012 annual meeting here in Vancouver. Tens of thousands attend. Should be an interesting week, with the tar sands/global warming conspiracy crowd out in full force, denying like mad.

Are any SuperTopians planning to attend? If so, we could plan a get together.

http://www.aaas.org/meetings/
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Dec 21, 2011 - 06:01pm PT


"Carbon dioxide is portrayed as harmful. But there isn't even one study that can be produced that shows that carbon dioxide is a harmful gas."

-Republican Michelle Bachmann, April, 2009
corniss chopper

climber
breaking the speed of gravity
Jan 4, 2012 - 05:13pm PT
The strange lack of precipitation in California may have a link to the
ionizing radiation from Fukushima by creating more clouds in the western Pacific affecting the normal variation of the jet stream through some unknown mechanism.

Could Fukushima Radiation Affect the weather? Climate Change/Global Cooling?
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1631109/pg1

Cloud chamber info
http://www.lateralscience.co.uk/cloud/

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youtube of cloud chamber -radiation source making clouds in the lab
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rW0ZJsiqQpM&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fl9OeGt5obA&feature=related

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This is 'out there' as a theory but stranger things have turned out true.

A volume of the atmosphere is being constantly ionized as it moves over Fukushima and then out over the Pacific. Ions are well known to be highly effective in making clouds. Is it enough to effect the energy balance of the weather patterns that bring us winter rain/snow?

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Cloud seeding is not new but a near ground level ion generating system installed around Abu Dhabi, still in the experimental stage, hopes to ionize the air and make it rain there.
http://www.livescience.com/10398-rainmaking-middle-eastern-desert-success-scam.html
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Jan 9, 2012 - 10:21am PT
when is more co2 a good thing? ask the folks over at cambridge:


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-16439807


Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Jan 9, 2012 - 12:29pm PT
bookworm's persona here on ST reminds me of those loudspeakers blaring propaganda in villages of Mao-era China. About as worthwhile to argue with, as well.
DrDeeg

Mountain climber
Mammoth Lakes, CA
Jan 9, 2012 - 05:27pm PT
2011 Awards for BS (bad science) about climate change goes to . . .

the current field of Republican candidates for president

Awards by the Pacific Institute, Jan 5 LA Times
corniss chopper

climber
breaking the speed of gravity
Jan 10, 2012 - 02:26pm PT
DrDeeg - I'll 2nd that about bad science from the IPCC.

Although as an excuse to party down for another week with other peoples
money the COP17 Conference in Durban South Africa was a smashing success.

Millions were pumped into the economy of this remote city. Huge amounts of
alcohol were consumed. New friendships were made and appropriate antibiotics
administered afterward. People gave speeches and then returned home.



http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/blog/2012/jan/09/wind-turbines-increasing-carbon-emissions


corniss chopper

climber
breaking the speed of gravity
Jan 17, 2012 - 01:31am PT
Today's forecast is... prison! South African weathermen face jail
or fines if they get it wrong.

As the ... Bill now reads, nobody will issue any warning of approaching severe weather for fear of going to jail if they are wrong.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2085811/Todays-forecast--prison-South-African-weathermen-face-jail-fines-wrong.html

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Weathermen face jail for getting it wrong!

...Weather forecasters getting it wrong for the first time could face a
four or five-year sentence and a £400,000 fine. And repeat offenders
could be jailed for as long as ten years or fined up to £800,000...

http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news-newspaper-daily-english-online/entertainment/17-Jan-2012/weathermen-face-jail-for-getting-it-wrong


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2085811/Todays-forecast--prison-South-African-weathermen-face-jail-fines-wrong.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/topics/weather/9010416/South-African-weather-forecasters-who-get-it-wrong-face-imprisonment.html


dirtbag

climber
Jan 17, 2012 - 06:18am PT
zzzz...
cliffhanger

Trad climber
California
Jan 19, 2012 - 02:50pm PT
Climate Change Skepticism Seeps Into Science Classrooms
Wednesday 18 January 2012
by: Neela Banerjee, McClatchy Newspapers | Report

Washington - A flash point has emerged in American science education that echoes the battle over evolution, as scientists and educators report mounting resistance to the study of man-made climate change in middle and high schools.

Although scientific evidence increasingly shows that fossil fuel consumption has caused the climate to change rapidly, the issue has grown so politicized that skepticism of the broad scientific consensus has seeped into classrooms.

Texas and Louisiana have introduced education standards that require educators to teach climate change denial as a valid scientific position. South Dakota and Utah passed resolutions denying climate change. Tennessee and Oklahoma also have introduced legislation to give climate change skeptics a place in the classroom.

Last May, the school board of Los Alamitos, Calif., passed a measure, later rescinded, identifying climate science as a controversial topic that required special instructional oversight.

more: http://www.truth-out.org/climate-change-skepticism-seeps-science-classrooms/1326908653
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Jan 19, 2012 - 02:54pm PT
Weathermen face jail for getting it wrong!

Yikes! I hope they don't start applying that to econometricians. Otherwise we'll have to go back to the golden rule of accurate economic forecasts: Give them a number or give them a date, but never give them both!

John
DrDeeg

Mountain climber
Mammoth Lakes, CA
Jan 23, 2012 - 09:36pm PT
Interesting op-ed in yesterday's LA Times by Naomi Oreskes, professor the history of science at UC San Diego and co-author of the provacative Merchants of Doubt: How a Handful of Scientists Obscured the Truth on Issues from Tobacco Smoke to Global Warming.

The "skepticism" about evolution, smoking, ozone depletion, and climate change have troubling parallels.
corniss chopper

climber
breaking the speed of gravity
Jan 23, 2012 - 10:07pm PT
B K - so you confess willingly that you have failed to learn the
lesson of diversity.

What sort of Liberal are you to speak ill of people that are different
from yourself?

GOclimb

Trad climber
Boston, MA
Feb 17, 2012 - 01:37pm PT
Leaked documents from the Heartland institute...

Heartland’s “climate strategy” also includes a new anti-science climate education program designed to convince teachers that the science of climate change is both “controversial and uncertain”, two points said to be “effective at dissuading teachers from teaching science”.

That's right - dissuading teachers from teaching science.

And what is the Heartland Institute? Their original role was to spread uncertainty about the link between cigarette smoke and cancer, funded by tobacco industry. Worked for a while. After that became a lost cause, their new role is to do the same for the links showing anthropogenic global climate change - funded of course by the oil industry.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Heartland_Institute

GO
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Feb 17, 2012 - 02:01pm PT
Nice photo essay from BBC on Uganda's vanishing glaciers:


From an earlier BBC story reporting research on these equatorial glaciers:
Trends point to an air temperature rise of roughly half a degree Celsius per decade since the 1960s without any significant change in annual rainfall.
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