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nah000
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no/w/here
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that you [mb1] would vote for bernie or that JE would vote for clinton are examples of why, even if we depart from starting blocks on opposite sides of the track, still, i have a lot of respect for folks like you both...
[folks that follow their beliefs with rigour through the situational reality surrounding them, all of the way through to conclusions that on first view seem the opposite of what one might have initially expected...]
and so in that spirit of respect, i'd like to apologize for a couple [ :) ] of the emo pot shots i've taken at you, specifically, over the years... i'll try to keep it a little more civil...
at least for a post or two... :)
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
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nahoo...don't let up on MB too long...I sense he's ready to switch to Bernie...Maybe a few more Sarah Silverman phtos...?
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Gary
Social climber
Where in the hell is Major Kong?
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MB1, those are good points.
Meanwhile:
http://www.latimes.com/business/autos/la-fi-hy-ford-mexico-20160405-story.html
Ford Motor Co. plans to build a $1.6-billion auto assembly plant in Mexico, creating about 2,800 jobs there and shifting small-car production away from the United States at a time when moving jobs south of the border has become a major issue in the U.S. presidential campaign...
Under the new UAW contract, Ford factory workers earn about $60 an hour in wages and benefits, while auto workers in Mexico average about $8 an hour, according to the Center for Automotive Research, a Michigan industry think tank...
Most of the cars built at Ford's new Mexican plant would be sold in North America, with the bulk being exported to the U.S., the region's largest market.
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/autos/ford/2016/03/18/mark-fields-ford-pay/81959532/
Ford Motor Co. President and CEO Mark Fields earned $18,576,946 in total compensation in 2015, down slightly from the $18.9 million he made in 2014.
The change in total compensation can be explained by a change in pension value, which dropped to $858,157 last year from $3,647,336 in 2014. Pension values vary from year to year due to changes in discount rates and government-issued mortality tables and is something Ford has no control over. It is a value; not direct compensation made by the executives.
Excluding the change in pension values and other perks and benefits, Fields’ compensation increased 16.8 percent.
Other executive pay includes:
■ Bill Ford Jr., executive chairman, made $12,860,840 in total compensation in 2015, down from the $15,583,194 he earned in 2014. His base salary of $2 million was unchanged from prior years. Ford spent $291,151 on personal use of an aircraft, and $928,150 for security.
■ Joe Hinrichs, executive vice president and president of the Americas, made $6,418,180 last year, an increase from $6,308,630 he earned in 2014. His base pay grew to $1,018,750 from $936,250 in 2014.
■ Jim Farley, president of Europe, the Middle East and Africa, made $5,804,965 last year, up from $4,690,513 in 2014. His base salary of $893,750 last year was an increase over the base salary of $868,750 he made in 2014. Ford spent $47,382 to relocate Farley from the U.S. to Germany.
■ Bob Shanks, chief financial officer, made $5,557,846 last year, down from $6,536,646. His base pay of $831,250 was an increase from the $798,750 he earned in 2014.
Ford recorded a 2015 pre-tax profit of $10.8 billion. It will hold its annual shareholders meeting on May 12 in Wilmington, Delaware.
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Let's be clear, the potential for corruption is a fact of human nature anytime human beings aggregate and there is nothing whatsoever unique about government in that respect. It afflicts all forms of human organizations and institutions be they churches, unions, governments, militaries, or corporations. Without appropriate governance and oversight all of them will resemble organized crime in due course.
I'm always amazed to read this kind of rhetoric and then see people jump on the bandwagon to submit even MORE power to the government more revenue and more power to play the role of supreme overlord. Even though they are included in the list of entities most inclined to corrupt.
A free market, with laws designed to protect the rights of the individual (as opposed to laws designed to elicit some specific outcome), and a small government with limited powers held accountable to voters is the single best way to reduce the effectiveness of corruption. Both in the private an public sector.
Government is a bad referee and, as we have proven, they are easily bought. How about we just give them the mandate and budget to watch for out of bounds and let the game play out rather than look to them to provide "free" college education and healthcare?
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Gary
Social climber
Where in the hell is Major Kong?
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A free market, with laws designed to protect the rights of the individual (as opposed to laws designed to elicit some specific outcome), and a small government with limited powers held accountable to voters is the single best way to reduce the effectiveness of corruption. Both in the private an public sector.
And exactly when has that ever played out?
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Meanwhile, the parties are motivated to keep US fighting each other over points of relative trivia, while they keep selling debt to our posterity.
--and--
By keeping US divided and thus "ineffective," the evil and corrupt ensure that WE can't join forces to fight them.
This is what we witness. That, plus the majority of the folks in the US just don't seem to... Hey, did you hear Caitlin Jenner is going to do a TV series?
A free market, with laws designed to protect the rights of the individual (as opposed to laws designed to elicit some specific outcome), and a small government with limited powers held accountable to voters is the single best way to reduce the effectiveness of corruption.
Hahahaha, that's a good one. A "free market"...
Speaking of free markets, this depressed the heck out of me:
Deepwater Horizon Settlement a 'Major Coup for BP'
Treating the worst oil spill in U.S. history as an ordinary and necessary business expense boggles the mind
Now, the US taxpayers get to pick up the bill.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Escopeta posted I'm always amazed to read this kind of rhetoric and then see people jump on the bandwagon to submit even MORE power to the government more revenue and more power to play the role of supreme overlord. Even though they are included in the list of entities most inclined to corrupt.
A free market, with laws designed to protect the rights of the individual (as opposed to laws designed to elicit some specific outcome), and a small government with limited powers held accountable to voters is the single best way to reduce the effectiveness of corruption. Both in the private an public sector.
Government is a bad referee and, as we have proven, they are easily bought. How about we just give them the mandate and budget to watch for out of bounds and let the game play out rather than look to them to provide "free" college education and healthcare?
Posts like these are important reminders that utopian fantasies are not the sole domain of the college liberal.
It is also worth reminding everyone that the American middle class was not the natural result of free market capitalism, it was engineered by government policy. As the infrastructure that supported the middle class has been dismantled or allowed to crumble in the name of "limited government," so too has the middle class.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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...there is nothing whatsoever unique about government in that respect.
Well, what's unique about government is the prima facie power it enjoys. That fact makes its corruption far more odious than any of the other organizations you mention.
Without appropriate governance and oversight all of them will resemble organized crime in due course.
Yup, and the nature of the corruption in our government has slowly and almost imperceptibly led to a state of affairs that "oversight" is essentially impossible.
...switch to Bernie
I've been pretty firmly in Bernie's camp from early in this election cycle. There's no "switch" taking place. There's a LOT I don't like about what he stands for, but there is a core of the most important principles we agree upon. For me those override what I don't like.
There is no "perfect" candidate.
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Don't worry, I'm sure more regulations, more restrictions and more tax revenue will solve it this time.
I'm pulling for you all, I really am. Right along with the 1%. They are licking their chops.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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"There is no "Perfect" candidate."
Well said MB.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Two classes of Phanamanian [sic] depositers, exemplified by Romney and Putin.
Try to think it thu.
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Speaking of free markets, this depressed the heck out of me:
Deepwater Horizon Settlement a 'Major Coup for BP'
Treating the worst oil spill in U.S. history as an ordinary and necessary business expense boggles the mind
Are you under the delusion that this outcome is a result of a "free" market?
If so, that explains a LOT.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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BUT
If Bernie doesn't win the nomination, then who will you vote for?
The Republican con-serverington?
Not vote?
Vote for the third a Party?
Or vote for Hillary?
You know my pick
"Blue no matter who, and down ticket too"
This thread is up to 3000!!
and I still can't figure out if Mr. E is for Bernie or not
I thought he kind of started this thread as a joke
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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I'll vote third-party. "Blue" in that case will have snubbed the will of the people, and you know what I think of Clinton. Everything that matters that I find appealing about Bernie finds its "anti-matter" in Clinton.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Are you under the delusion that this outcome is a result of a "free" market?
The article reports on an absurd use of a tax regulation (how on Earth can anybody think that one of the largest oil spills is actually just a normal cost of doing business), but it's the idea that we have 'free markets' that lets us have this type of tax regulation.
You get to deduct business costs because we have free markets, right? (Business deductions are an attempt at leveling the playing field for competing businesses.)
Don't worry, I'm sure more regulations, more restrictions and more tax revenue will solve it this time.
Well, we've certainly seen how fewer regulations and less tax revenue has not solved our problems (but have indeed created large problems for many).
And, we've seen how having more tax revenue has indeed help to solve many problems, and regulations have indeed protected consumers.
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dirtbag
climber
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Taxes and regulations have solved many problems.
To argue otherwise is pure nonsense.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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regulations have indeed protected consumers
True-dat!
In fact, regulating the exchange of goods and services (not to mention monetary policy) was one of the strongest "cases" made by the federalist-founders in favor of a strong federal government.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Hmmm...
Did Bernie Sanders Botch An Interview With The Daily News? It’s Not That Simple.
The interview exposes as much about the media as it does about Bernie Sanders.
In fact, in several instances, it’s the Daily News editors who are bungling the facts in an interview designed to show that Sanders doesn’t understand the fine points of policy. In questions about breaking up big banks, the powers of the Treasury Department and drone strikes, the editors were simply wrong on details.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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I find it refreshing to read how so many people with left-of-center views have suddenly discovered the biases and distortions of the mainstream media. I think the infantile level of this campaign has the news media as a major cause.
John
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