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dirtbag

climber
Jan 26, 2015 - 07:42am PT

There's recent research on this topic of "conspiracist ideation," it's something I've been meaning to read up on.


If you find a good article, please share!
brotherbbock

Trad climber
Alta Loma, CA
Jan 26, 2015 - 09:39am PT
Holy Shit! This thread takes me back!

I just saw the photo shops I did at the beginning of this mess and laughed my ass off!
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Jan 26, 2015 - 11:34am PT
If you find a good article, please share!

Here's one that can be downloaded for free, and cites related earlier studies.

The Role of Conspiracist Ideation and Worldviews in Predicting Rejection of Science

Background

Among American Conservatives, but not Liberals, trust in science has been declining since the 1970's. Climate science has become particularly polarized, with Conservatives being more likely than Liberals to reject the notion that greenhouse gas emissions are warming the globe. Conversely, opposition to genetically-modified (GM) foods and vaccinations is often ascribed to the political Left although reliable data are lacking. There are also growing indications that rejection of science is suffused by conspiracist ideation, that is the general tendency to endorse conspiracy theories including the specific beliefs that inconvenient scientific findings constitute a “hoax.”

Methodology/Principal findings

We conducted a propensity weighted internet-panel survey of the U.S. population and show that conservatism and free-market worldview strongly predict rejection of climate science, in contrast to their weaker and opposing effects on acceptance of vaccinations. The two worldview variables do not predict opposition to GM. Conspiracist ideation, by contrast, predicts rejection of all three scientific propositions, albeit to greatly varying extents. Greater endorsement of a diverse set of conspiracy theories predicts opposition to GM foods, vaccinations, and climate science.

Conclusions

Free-market worldviews are an important predictor of the rejection of scientific findings that have potential regulatory implications, such as climate science, but not necessarily of other scientific issues. Conspiracist ideation, by contrast, is associated with the rejection of all scientific propositions tested. We highlight the manifold cognitive reasons why conspiracist ideation would stand in opposition to the scientific method. The involvement of conspiracist ideation in the rejection of science has implications for science communicators.
WBraun

climber
Jan 26, 2015 - 11:39am PT
On the planet earth mankind is the absolute cause and effect of everything .....
Mike Bolte

Trad climber
Planet Earth
Jan 26, 2015 - 12:06pm PT
So Werner, you are disagreeing directly with the good Senator Inhofe from the state of Oklahoma who is unfortunately the Chair of the Environment and Public Works senate committee. Here is what he said as recently as last week:

"The hoax is that there are some people who are so arrogant to think that they are so powerful, they can change climate. Man can't change climate."

Could you step in and straighten him out in this issue?
dirtbag

climber
Jan 26, 2015 - 12:07pm PT
Thanks Chiloe!
WBraun

climber
Jan 26, 2015 - 12:12pm PT
Mike Bolte

That senator can say anything he wants and he does.

Politicians can never be trusted ever to begin with.

But when we go against and abuse our natural environment then the climate on the planet will also naturally change to reflect either our mistakes or our harmonious nature towards it .....
rmuir

Social climber
From the Time Before the Rocks Cooled.
Jan 27, 2015 - 08:25am PT
[Click to View YouTube Video]

Of course, this can't be true since we have it on Good Authority that the Moon was created on the fourth day…

[Click to View YouTube Video]

The Goddard Space Center totally omitted the section about the Lunatic Ark…
kev

climber
A pile of dirt.
Jan 27, 2015 - 09:01am PT
Klimmer - you really need to come to the light and believe in a proper religion! As a Pastafariani (aka Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster) I think you'd be far more enlightened...

Now for some real Science!

Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Jan 27, 2015 - 09:18am PT
rmuir, stay tuned (couple of months) for a different theory about how the Moon came to be. The massive-impact hypothesis has a few problems.
NutAgain!

Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
Jan 27, 2015 - 09:31am PT
Kev, that is a real classic!
Gnome Ofthe Diabase

climber
Out Of Bed
Jan 27, 2015 - 09:32am PT
one page of looking and ??

,!

well the blizzard missed here

and after Judge Mathis,

I will read more
Klimmer

Mountain climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 27, 2015 - 05:59pm PT
RMuir,

I'll get back. Very busy at the moment.

I will address Lucifer's history, and how it is key to understanding what is happening now and soon to be in our near future. Why we are facing an influx of Aliens globally, who they are, and what's their purpose in these end of age times. It isn't an end of time or an end of Earth, it is an end of an age of man's rule. Why we are in the last days now and it couldn't have ever been before our present time. Prophecy has to be fulfilled. Key prophetic events have to be fulfilled before the last age of mankind's rule on Earth comes to an end (thankfully cuss we really know how to screw things up royally). Also the Bible is in agreement with the Universe with an age of 13.8 B years and our Sun at about 5 B years and the planets at about 4.6 B. The Bible has no problem with any of that. You have to read The Good Book in Hebrew, the language it was written, and understand what happened between Gen. 1:1 and Gen. 1:2; a great deal happened.


Trivia Question:

By the way, how many Bibles did your famous relative John Muir own?




A lot. I think about 13. If I remember right.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Jan 27, 2015 - 06:02pm PT
Prophecy has to be fulfilled.

Man, those come and go unfulfilled on an annual basis.
dirtbag

climber
Jan 27, 2015 - 06:26pm PT
Isn't it great that our public education system pays klimmer to teach high school kids science?

Yeah, I feel great about that too.
rmuir

Social climber
From the Time Before the Rocks Cooled.
Jan 28, 2015 - 12:20pm PT
Trivia Question:
By the way, how many Bibles did your famous relative John Muir own?
A lot. I think about 13. If I remember right.

And you pulled this number from where? Based on your rather shaky grasp on reality evinced by your previous propositions, again, we'd better see a citation. A citation based on fact.

When John Muir died in 1915, his entire collection of books fell to his daughters. An unpublished inventory of his estate, prepared by his daughters, Wanda and Helen—evidently for probate purposes—listed, shelf-by-shelf, the volumes in the second-floor room of the "Big House"—now known as the Muir-Strentzel Home—which Muir used as a study. In this inventory, there were approximately 1,600 books; Helen took 280 volumes to her home in the Mojave Desert at Daggett, and the remainder stayed with Wanda and Thomas Hanna who, eventually, moved the books and bookcases to their new residence of Dr. Strentzel's old home about a mile from Muir's estate in Crockett.

After Wanda died, the library was transferred to her five children (principally, Richard Hanna), and these books were deposited at the Holt-Atherton Library in 1970. Hanna's collection of Muir's books was eventually donated to the Huntington Library in 1973.

Not all of the books on the 1915 list were acquired by Muir. Part of the library came from his wife's family, the Strentzels. John Strentzel's wife, Louisiana, had a strong religious (Methodist) bent and collected tracts, hymnals, and other pieties which were added to the bookshelves. At least eighty such books must have come from this source.

While not all of these books could be considered part of his working library, at least 350 had little practical or literary interest to Muir. Most all of the books in Muir's collection were acquired after 1880, once home, family, and wealth made it possible for him to read and store such a collection.

Many more details about John Muir's book collection can be found at http://www.pacific.edu/Documents/school-college/centers/john_muir/Fall2003.pdf

Even if you are correct that Muir "owned" thirteen bibles (which is questionable), this would not be surprising given the Victorian age in which he lived. Even so, this would be much less than one-percent of his collection. Not a lot.

Of course, your mention of this "Trivia Question" is a blatant attempt to insinuate that Muir ascribed to your bizarre, aberrant, and, frankly, batshit biblical hokum, and that his mention should lend some kind of imprimatur to your weird, self-delusional reinterpretation of the Bible. For all of Muir's apparent religious underpinning, his beliefs were grounded in Romanticism, Naturalism, and the New England Trancendentalists such as Emerson and Thoreau; his earlier religious ascription was decidedly New Testament, at best. John Muir's outlook was most certainly NOT that of a harsh, old-testament, anti-literate, fundamental Calvinist preacher like his father, Daniel. And you don't get to put on John Muir's mantle to bolster your views…

If you think that Muir's ownership of a few bibles means that he thought like you, then I've got a massive ark on the Moon to sell you.

bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona
Jan 28, 2015 - 12:29pm PT
I will address Lucifer's history, and how it is key to understanding what is happening now and soon to be in our near future. Why we are facing an influx of Aliens globally, who they are, and what's their purpose in these end of age times. It isn't an end of time or an end of Earth, it is an end of an age of man's rule. Why we are in the last days now and it couldn't have ever been before our present time. Prophecy has to be fulfilled. Key prophetic events have to be fulfilled before the last age of mankind's rule on Earth comes to an end (thankfully cuss we really know how to screw things up royally). Also the Bible is in agreement with the Universe with an age of 13.8 B years and our Sun at about 5 B years and the planets at about 4.6 B. The Bible has no problem with any of that. You have to read The Good Book in Hebrew, the language it was written, and understand what happened between Gen. 1:1 and Gen. 1:2; a great deal happened.

Dude, are you even remotely aware that you are deranged? Off-the-hook unhinged? Batshit crazy? I hate to be so blunt, but hey. You are a way, way fringe dude.
Flip Flop

Trad climber
Truckee, CA
Jan 28, 2015 - 01:31pm PT
This is the result of teaching children to believe in things without any evidence. Fancy imaginings. Sad, really, when there are so many amazing real things to learn and do.
Tvash

climber
Seattle
Jan 28, 2015 - 01:58pm PT
It is prophesied that we'll have truly bitchin' hi rez photos of Ceres by March.
Tvash

climber
Seattle
Jan 28, 2015 - 01:59pm PT
And Pluto/Charon by July.
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