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Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Jul 2, 2011 - 08:13pm PT
So Charles, would you like to see "Alternate Airlines" offered to the traveling public?

No security search but all the planes are equipped with atomizing charges in case they are taken over by terrorists intent on flying into targets.
The pilots are armed and the passengers must sign releases.


But your privacy would not be violated.

Just think of the savings!
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Jul 3, 2011 - 05:13am PT
At least in America (due in part by our founding fathers being killers) we can freely state our position on anything without the consequences of immediately seeing our family members decapitated and raped to a mutilated death right in front of your very eyes, within the confines of our home, for even saying such a thing (^^^^dingus^^^^) in public.

I'm married to a member of a tribe who suffered exactly that at the hands of our military. Our nation's founding was accomplished on policies of deliberate genocide and is nothing to be proud of, quite the contrary.

PS: If anyone here has ever personally witnessed the event below, they would clearly understand my post. Nothing else on this planet comes close to it..... nothing I tell ya. Happy B-Day America!

Yes, I've witnessed it from inside a turret, six on six off, for close to a year. And gotta say, there wasn't a single chief on the boat the gun crew cared for or respected; bummer you came onboard after the war as we could have used a chief who gave a sh#t and wasn't an alcoholic. Also, I can't think of a weapon on the planet quite so dated and less worth the cost to operate than a naval gunship after WWII. And lord knows that universal consciousness just has to love and regale in the idea of smudging out all that meat so their energy can return home. Quite the contradiction of spirit all in all.

And at this point, on this 4th of July, the most patriotic thing we as a nation could possibly do is bring Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Karl Rove, Lewis Libby, Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Elliott Abrams, Douglas Feith, Alberto Gonzales, and John Yoo (all notable among others) up on charges of treason against the United States. The only reason these f*#ks were in power to begin with is the pardons of the Ford and Bush Sr. administrations and by sweeping it under the rug yet again it will return to haunt us down the road.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 3, 2011 - 10:30am PT
Please, Blue and others you didn't know John and don't pretend you do.

That was quite uncalled for, Scott. I only knew John from chatting with him here. I never pretended more.
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Jul 3, 2011 - 11:26am PT
And at this point, on this 4th of July, the most patriotic thing we as a nation could possibly do is bring Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Karl Rove, Lewis Libby, Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Elliott Abrams, Douglas Feith, Alberto Gonzales, and John Yoo (all notable among others) up on charges of treason against the United States. The only reason these f*#ks were in power to begin with is the pardons of the Ford and Bush Sr. administrations and by sweeping it under the rug yet again it will return to haunt us down the road.

Amen. You missed a few. At least a through investigation to start with. Won't happen though and there is not a damn thing we can do to facilitate it. Sorry.

Climb safe my brobahms. Here's a thought: that this kind of debate gets carried on with such deeply held convictions and thought is a good thing in my view, it's what this country should have, as upsetting as it can be at times. Thanks for that last post Chief. If we started listing all of the guys we need to thank, we could run out of computer space.

Carry on with this raucous debate all and happy forth of July!! Don't forget to remember the basic idea behind it all: hug and cherish all of your loves ones, THAT'S would Bacher would most likely say if he could pop back in here with one more post from the beyond.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 3, 2011 - 11:32am PT
The above two Brave and Selfless souls are indeed are what the 4th of July truly means to me.


Amen, dude. The Hollywood version is still a favorite movie of mine. They shoulda had AC-130 backup...(but it was denied)

Those guys are heroes. Gordan and Shughart. And the guys who made it out.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Jul 3, 2011 - 11:49am PT
Bluering...there you have it in a nutshell...Puff should have been doing backup on that mission but some candy-ass college educated politician was calling the shots and the Americans on the ground were swarmed by a mob angry skinnys'...Why would any GI want to put his life on the line for an incompetent politician...?
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 3, 2011 - 12:07pm PT
Why would any GI want to put his life on the line for an incompetent politician...?


Simple. For service to country.

The problem boils down to getting into situations and then not having the fortitude to use ALL available assets on hand to achieve the objective.

That's the bottom line.

Look at Somalia today, is it better? Would things be different if we accomplished the mission intended with the use of overwhelming force, and probably inadvertently killing some innocent 'skinnies'?

I think so. But because we have silly ROE, 2 brave American snipers are dead amongst the others who died there, and the country is still rotten.

Makes me sick. Either go in and do it right, or don't go in at all.
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Jul 3, 2011 - 12:55pm PT
Charlemagne sans Mahomet serait inconcevable.

Fatty, the above statement completely changed the historiography of relations between Islam and Europe. An entirely new perspective. Who said it, when, and why is it so important? What can we learn from it today?
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 3, 2011 - 01:08pm PT
Interesting development regarding Somalia;

http://rantburg.com/poparticle.php?ID=325657&D=2011-07-03&SO=&HC=1
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jul 3, 2011 - 02:20pm PT
There's no rational reason why a small republican experiment in 1776 grew to dominate global culture and society — except that this is the only nation, past or present, that trusts the individual rather than the state and its bureaucracy. Such confidence in average citizens made us absolutely exceptional — something we should remember more than ever on this Fourth of July.

And a few make the sacrifice to keep it so.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 3, 2011 - 02:23pm PT
Unselfishly? You have reminded us 1000 times on the internet that you served. You were paid for doing a job. Now please, stfu.


Hey, look, dipsh#t. If somebody wants to VOLUNTEER to serve and protect this nation FULL-TIME, they should be fairly compensated. It is a JOB and a service. They have to pay bills and take care of families like we all do, asshat!

You are the epitome of stupid and ungrateful.

Chief, 99% of the American population gets it. Some don't. Thanks for your service!

Don't let dipshits get you down, bro.

EDIT: Nice quote, Wendell.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 3, 2011 - 03:04pm PT
So all was not so peachy peac and loving rosey in the land of the Native American Indian before Whitey showed up.

They didn't just kill each other either. They were truly savage in their dispensation of each other.

But that doesn't fit the narrative of the noble 'native'...
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jul 3, 2011 - 03:06pm PT
So all was not so peachy peacey white and rosey loving in the land of the Native American Indian before Whitey showed up.

Warfare was the constant and central cultural focus of many of the tribes.

The concept of "noble savage" is a European fantasy.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jul 3, 2011 - 03:12pm PT
Our forbears did do something exceptional.

The Fourth of July may be just a holiday for fireworks to some people. But it was a momentous day for the history of this country and the history of the world.

Not only did July 4, 1776, mark American independence from England, it marked a radically different kind of government from the governments that prevailed around the world at the time — and for thousands of years before.

The American Revolution was not simply a rebellion against the King of England, it was a rebellion against being ruled by kings in general. That is why the opening salvo of the Revolution was called "the shot heard round the world."

Autocratic rulers and their subjects heard that shot — and things that had not been questioned for millennia were now open to challenge. As the generations went by, more and more autocratic governments around the world proved unable to meet that challenge.

Some clever people today ask whether the U.S. has really been "exceptional." You couldn't be more exceptional in the 18th century than to create your fundamental document by opening with the momentous words, "We the people."

Those words were a slap in the face to those who thought themselves entitled to rule, and who regarded the people as human livestock, destined to be shepherded by their betters. To this day, elites who think that way — including many among the intelligentsia as well as political messiahs — find the Constitution a pain because it stands in the way of their imposing their will and presumptions on the rest of us.


http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article/577120/201107011811/Does-Constitution-Still-Matter-.htm
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Jul 3, 2011 - 03:34pm PT
There were places where the was conflict, and place where native people lived pretty peacefully for 1,000's of years. The coastal tribes on the west coast a ton of resources, and rarely fought except over personal issues.

The northwest tribes were famous for throwing a potlatch, where they would give away most of their wealth to gain prestige.

It is a mixed bag.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 3, 2011 - 03:45pm PT
EVERY civilization has been caught up in unimaginable atrocities towards other humans, nothing new, and it will not go away, doesn't matter how many people serve...

Charles

How many can you name that actually recognized their past failings and took corrective and redemptive actions?

Nobody's perfect, but God. By the grace of God we've learned to redeem our injustices, and to bring our peace and prosperity to others. Sometimes at tip of a pen, sometimes the tip of a sword, and sometimes at the tip of a Hellfire missile.

God bless America.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 3, 2011 - 04:02pm PT
Nice post. Wes. Indian reservations, huh?

What would you like to offer Native Americans that they don't already have?
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Jul 3, 2011 - 04:13pm PT
Geeze Wes...We gave the Dog indian tribe any nuclear test site that they wanted and they are still ungratefull...? WTF..?
crunch

Social climber
CO
Jul 3, 2011 - 04:20pm PT
Ahh, that Bachar, always trying to push people's buttons. He started something with this thread!

Here's more from the same guy. I think John woulda appreciated this gem:

Tribal Seduction
By Jimmy Beason

Thirty miles beyond the outskirts of town, bright purple and red neon lights capture the attention of any lonely traveler in a hypnotic seduction of the visual senses, seducing drivers and gambling junkies to a tribal burial ground of money where sanctified cash spending frenzies solidify our sovereignty of currency. Where a war party is waged upon the pockets of the American citizens to destroy their homes and red-headed children’s college funds using sacred slots and holy black jack tables to advance our revolution against poverty.

Pulling up to the front door in the circle drive, the 17-year-old valet with delinquent tendencies takes the keys to your black SUV. The gamblers’ eyes fixate on a giant water fountain arrogantly greeting all saps who enter. It shoots streams of water from the top of a huge 10 foot dollar sign superimposed over a magnificent 40 feet tall eagle feather welded together from steel and spare parts from broke-down Indian cars hastily abandoned on the side of a dirt road once news of the 20,000 dollar casino checks got around.

The constant bleeping sound of cash machines is followed by a scream from the sixty-year-old white lady with a beehive hairdo trapped in the 1950’s, after she spent fifteen hours straight sitting on a wooden stool pumping her retirement check into the slot of Indigenous persuasion. A procession of coins flows from the spout like a raiding party. In moments the cashier will come along and verify the win, and hopefully a picture will be taken in order to document the pay-off.

In the middle of addicted 20-something yuppies and old people is a platform where a white woman with blonde hair sports a buckskin thong and giant white headdress dancing to electric-pop-tribal-drum music, with the back ground chorus singing “hey-ya-hey-ya heeeyyyy”.

For one hundred dollars you can go with her to the VIP lounge to get a private dance inside a replica plaster tee-pee on a buffalo skin, viewed by Indian mannequins in 1800’s dress. For two hundred dollars it’s anything goes for 45 minutes. All you do is walk up to her and say the password. It’s “frybread”.

At the edge of the casino is an island bar with drink specials. A young white kid with “Native features” and a spray-on-tan will serve your favorite liquid of sedation to help you forget. The fact is the money that was to be used for food, junior’s braces, car payment and house rent will go to the tribe that your great-great-grandfather helped massacre at the same site where the casino is built, when he rode with the U.S. Calvary in 1800-something.

Modern Indians in braids walk around giving money and taking money, checking ID’s to make sure you are old enough to be gullible and to ensure that the term "saving money" is not in your vocabulary.

This is sacred ground.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 3, 2011 - 05:09pm PT
particularly your hateful stance on immigration and immigrants. You are well primed to fall right into place.

What is my stance again??? You seem to know it so well.

And are you re-defining the word 'resource' to suit your idiotic agenda?

And did you answer my previous question as to how Wes would provide further help to Native Americans that already isn't being provided?

No.
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