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Reilly
Mountain climber
Monrovia, CA
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May 20, 2009 - 11:06am PT
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This all reminds me of the situation for women in Alaska where they say
"The odds are good but the goods are odd."
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Boltgrl
Ice climber
Winslow, AZ
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May 20, 2009 - 12:02pm PT
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"the odds are good but the goods are odd"
lol!1
too funny, too true, too sad
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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May 20, 2009 - 12:06pm PT
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I sometimes wonder whether the odd goods around here tend to make ST's odds even better, I mean worse, by driving off climbers of the female persuasion.
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monolith
climber
Berkeley, CA
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May 20, 2009 - 12:12pm PT
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I'm going to assume that we all agree there are more male climbers than female. So, based on this assumption women are less likely to find a woman partner.
But a women will give priority to another women climber.
In other words, there may be fewer women climbers, but as a women, you have higher odds of climbing with them then another guy.
But since the SF in this situation is looking for an SM dateable climber, the fact that there are fewer women climbers is actually an advantage due to less competition.
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Boltgrl
Ice climber
Winslow, AZ
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May 20, 2009 - 12:21pm PT
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negatory.
much, much harder to find a "compatible" female partner.
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Pennsylenvy
Social climber
A dingy corner in your refrigerator
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May 20, 2009 - 12:30pm PT
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My 'sausage fest' post was kind of a response to this thread. I guess it seemed to say, 'who cares about the complications of relationships, Sig others etc.....LET'S CLIMB. That is exactly what will happen this weekend in Winslow. MAle or female, the emphasis will be squarely on climbing. I tried to make a joke out of someone's concern that it was looking like an all male event. I don't care. And of course there are women coming after all.
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Boltgrl
Ice climber
Winslow, AZ
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May 20, 2009 - 12:37pm PT
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well, tim - i'm psyched to hang out with you and all my buds, male or female, this weekend...i cant climb, but i can drink!
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Pennsylenvy
Social climber
A dingy corner in your refrigerator
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May 20, 2009 - 12:42pm PT
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Bolt,
that's a dangerous combo. However I will have on my 'miracle armor' that I wear to every sushi event. It keeps me focused on the climbing element first and foremost(because the party element is so easily accessed). You will have to come out in the boat. it's a great place to drink, and swim if your not the captn.. AHOY.....I need to get some logistical info up in a thread...like do I need to bring an extra canoe etc.... See U thar....
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Pennsylenvy
Social climber
A dingy corner in your refrigerator
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May 20, 2009 - 12:43pm PT
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Fatrad this is an instance where I'm liking your style....maybe we should call you pitiful souls from the fest
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justing
climber
Santa Cruz, CA
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May 20, 2009 - 01:09pm PT
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I can't believe this will be the first ever supertopo thread I respond to. I just got done reading much of it, and let me see if I understand. The OP wants a man who is 1. Single and 2. Not interested in a relationship with a single female who shares similar interests. If you added 3. not gay, wouldn't this form some sort of impossibility theorem: at most two of these three things can possibly hold at any one point in time?
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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May 20, 2009 - 01:18pm PT
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SuperTopo's operating principle, insofar as there is any, is inspired by "Through the Looking Glass".
"Alice laughed: "There's no use trying," she said; "one can't believe impossible things."
"I daresay you haven't had much practice," said the Queen. "When I was younger, I always did it for half an hour a day. Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast."
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nature
climber
Tucson, AZ
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May 20, 2009 - 01:23pm PT
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hey justing... no offense... you're not that far off. But you have to understand there is a much much deeper story at play. One you'd really only understand "if you were there".
I just laced up my new Acopa Legends.... psyched to break 'em in on sandstone.
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justing
climber
Santa Cruz, CA
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May 20, 2009 - 01:32pm PT
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As I'm not unattached, I can't help out directly here. But I am reminded of the Tom Brady sexual harrassment PSA. How does a guy ask out a platonic female climbing partner?
1. Be attractive
2. Be a good climber
3. Don't be an unattractive bad climber
Follow these three rules and it will be ok.
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Fish Finder
Social climber
THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART
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May 20, 2009 - 01:58pm PT
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We are all brought into this earth alone.
We all create what is around us.
We all die alone.
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Pennsylenvy
Social climber
A dingy corner in your refrigerator
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May 20, 2009 - 07:50pm PT
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Too bad I'm a guy. It sure would suck for me to have to wonder if my hot, horny chick belayer was interested in something other than climbing.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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May 20, 2009 - 09:29pm PT
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Let's stir the pot some more.
Do female climbers usually have higher expectations of potential male partners then male climbers have of potential female partners or even other male partners?
How often do you see a female climber enter into a long-term platonic partnership with a male climber who has less ability? If the answer is "not very often" is this just because a lot of men have fragile egos or because the women have higher standards?
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Pennsylenvy
Social climber
A dingy corner in your refrigerator
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May 20, 2009 - 11:06pm PT
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Uh D'uh
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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May 21, 2009 - 12:59pm PT
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That's what most of the men think, but how many women agree?
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
New York, NY
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May 21, 2009 - 01:14pm PT
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I expect my partner - male or female - to catch my fall if I come off.
As for other expectations - I expect them to be of the experience/skill level they SAY they are, if they are an onsite partner du jour. 95% of my partners are male, but at any rate 0 I have NEVER climbed with a woman who climbed less than they said they did. Ive had a few guys who have.
There's no shame in have a particular level of experience/ability. The shame comes when it is misrepresented. At a minimum, it means the day's objectives get rethought. But for someone who is doing something more serious than a day of cragging, a misrepresentation can be a hell of a lot more harmful.
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Melissa
Gym climber
berkeley, ca
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May 21, 2009 - 01:19pm PT
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I'm not looking to get taken care of when I climb, but if I climb with someone better than me, it happens to some degree regardless of the sex of the person I'm climbing with.
My female partners often hold me to a higher standard than my male partners, and I'm more apt to be competative with them (and thus, hold myself to a higher standard), so I'll resist "caregiving" more with a female than a male partner.
On average guys outclimb us. So it stands to reason that on average women do get taken care of by men more at the crags than any other gender combo. Regardless of the legions of bad ass women that we all know, I think the above is just a fact. Doesn't mean it always has to be so, and I'm not sold on the glib explanation that "it's genetic."
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