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Scared Silly
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UT
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Aug 30, 2008 - 08:12pm PT
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When I heard this yesterday was my first thought was she is a NeoCon's Wet Dream. When I heard Rush's comments I knew I was right. And figured Rush was jerking off while listening to VanHalen while thinking of sweet Sara.
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bob d'antonio
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Aug 30, 2008 - 08:24pm PT
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She is anti-abortion even in cases of rape and incest. She believes the earth was created 6,000 years ago, she a right wing wack job dressed in sheep clothing. If elected she is a heartbeat away from being the one of the powerful people in the world...saving grace would/is the democrat power in Congress.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Aug 30, 2008 - 08:24pm PT
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There seems to be some confusion here about just what is Sarah's
position on abortion. She is strongly opposed to abortion in any manner, shape, or form. If a woman is raped or father incests
(rapes) his own daughter, too bad, no abortion, the fetus must absolutely go full term. Hate the idea of carrying a rapist's baby, maybe you are 15 years old and on your own on the street with no job or ability to care for or even feed a baby, too bad, tough luck, no exceptions. This is also John McMcain position as it is George W Bushes. That's right, no coincidence that all three do no believe in evolution and want creationism taught in our public schools. Sarah is a true conservative, clutching her Jesus statue because she is god fearing,or afrain of god, hates gays, loves to kill animals for her own pleasure with her guns, woopee. Make no mistake, she will, just like McCain, if given the chance, appoint a hard core supreme court conservative that WILL vote to overturn Roe and return women to back alley coat hanger abortions. You see, what these ignorant conservatives don't get, is that women who don't want the baby will abort it any way they can as they have throughout history, and Sarah and her pals want to make sure they no women can get a medically safe abortion in the United States. Yes, think of the hypocrasy, the party of supposed individual rights and limited government wants absolutely to take away a women's right to choose, and also to expand the role of the government, through the US government court system in order to force their will.
Bob, we were typing at the same time the same thing !!
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bob d'antonio
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Aug 30, 2008 - 08:29pm PT
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Fattrad...in 2000 John Mccain loss his set of balls. He let Karl Rove roll right over his ass and didn't even put up a fight. Maverick my ass...He also voted with Bush on almost every issue in the last four years...maverick my ass.
Palin is a right wing whack job...plain and simple.
Norton...great minds think alike. :)
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Aug 30, 2008 - 08:38pm PT
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bluering: You are an excellent example of the kind of projection that goes on in these races all the time. You desperately want to like Palin, so instead of actually finding out her position you decide to pretend that she thinks just like you do. I don't know her exact abortion policy position either, but I'm going to wait to find out instead of just deciding that it's something that I have no clue if it is or not.
You make my exact point though....the STR's (SuperTaco Republicans) are supporting this chick from an emotional standpoint only. "She's our girl so I'll do whatever it takes to justify my exuberant support" seems to be the thought process instead of "well I'm voting for the McCain ticket either way but I don't know much about Palin and I'm hopeful that she is someone that I can really get behind" which appears to be the reality.
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evenkeel
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Aug 30, 2008 - 08:41pm PT
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norton, being an Alaskan resident myself, you seem to know our "sweet" governor well. g-d help us and our rights if she becomes v.p.
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WBraun
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Aug 30, 2008 - 09:17pm PT
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At one time you were within the womb of your mother. If she had
undergone the "medical procedure" you outline above you wouldn't be here now, however she didn't so here you are.
Surely if she had undergone the "medical procedure" she would have killed you.
It's not too difficult to understand surely?
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Mtnmun
Trad climber
Top of the Mountain Mun
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Aug 30, 2008 - 09:19pm PT
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That Werner, is the decision every women and her family should have the right to make.
When Sara chose to have her downs syndrom baby, it was a choice.
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Jaybro
Social climber
wuz real!
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Aug 30, 2008 - 09:26pm PT
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Not quite a nuke, still....
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WBraun
climber
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Aug 30, 2008 - 09:51pm PT
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So the bottom line ....
Abortion is Murder.
Whether one chooses or not.
That's the bottom line, no matter how one choose to interpret.
And yes one has the independent free will to choose, but will be held accountable for their actions in this life and future life.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Aug 30, 2008 - 09:53pm PT
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It is a tie between LostArrow and JuanDeFukka as to which one is the biggest horse's ass posting on this forum. I honestly can't say which one acts more like a six year old.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Aug 30, 2008 - 09:55pm PT
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Werner...wow, I think you hit a nail on the head.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Aug 30, 2008 - 10:40pm PT
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From her Wikipedia entry, with references:
"Palin's foreign policy positions were not clear at the time she was picked"
"According to her spokeswoman, Palin has traveled abroad twice: once to Ireland, and in 2007 to Germany and Kuwait where she met with members of Alaska's National Guard.[98]"
Wow. The co-leader of this country will have travelled outside the US twice in her life.
"Palin is pro-life, pro-contraception, and a prominent member of Feminists for Life.[80][24] In 2002, while running for lieutenant governor, Palin called herself as "pro-life as any candidate can be."[24]" Feminists for Life is the largest and most prominent women's pro-life organization.
So in her eyes, anyone who has an abortion at any stage, and anyone who helps a woman get one is a murderer. It is apparently not clear whether she is a death penalty advocate for the crime of murder, but one would tend to think so.
Wow.
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coward
Trad climber
Boulder, Wyoming
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Aug 30, 2008 - 10:45pm PT
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Skipt and Werner,
Equating abortion in any form with murder is beyond ridiculous. You fools actually think that a zygote or a blastocyst should be afforded the same legal protections as yourselves? Should the powers that be prosecute to the fullest extent of the law those who dare to take the morning-after pill?? Should a woman who terminates her pregnancy one week after a rape incident be...put to death?
Try this on for size: According to most Evangelical Christians, a zygote's life value is greater than that of any full-grown animal life, simply because "life begins with conception" and animals don't have souls while humans somehow do. Am I wrong?
I think most rational human beings could agree that the cute Wernerism about abortion is not some universal truth, as you two would believe.
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Dick_Lugar
Trad climber
Indiana (the other Mideast)
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Aug 30, 2008 - 10:50pm PT
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Would any of the pro-life gentlemen in the forum please enlighten us on what the Republican party has done past, present and future for family planning, financial assistance for unwed mothers, and early education for children since they value the life of un-born babies and presumably after they are born. I've done some searching and I am having difficulty finding much information or available resources. Kind regards.
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dmalloy
Trad climber
eastside
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Aug 30, 2008 - 11:07pm PT
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>>What the hell do you mean by anti-envirnonment?
Yeah, anti-environment does not seem to mean much to me.
But I do know that Gov Palin is for subsidizing oil and gas production, against listing polar bears as an endangered species despite sound science that supports that listing, and for drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. It seems clear to me that she is against wilderness and wildlife protection and sees little value in energy conservation. Like a lot of American citizens, my values and opinions on these important matters differ greatly from hers.
So call it what you will, but we should be able to agree that her positions consistently put perceived short-term economic benefit ahead of conservation.
>>Neither John McCain nor Sara Palin have ever said that abortion should be handled in the criminal court system.
You are kind of splitting hairs there, Skip. Gov Palin certainly advocates that abortion should be outlawed, through court decision or constitutional amendment. If it is outlawed, exactly how to you think that will be enforced if not through the criminal courts? So she might not have said she wants the criminal courts involved, but her stated position would result in that happening.
I'm OK with McCain's old position, letting the states sort it out for themselves. But his recent statements regarding appointing judges like Alito and Thomas certainly gives me pause.
Someone else brought up what I think is the important issue - the Republican Party has consistently sought to outlaw abortion, and to limit access information about contraceptives, and to the contraceptives themselves. In African countries that face outrageous population problems, the GOP does not want anyone using federal funds (including Peace Corps and other volunteer organizations) to discuss or distribute condoms.
It portrays such a bizarre viewpoint of society - essentially ignoring the obvious truth that people are going to have sex regardless of the consequences of disease and pregnancy. I don't mind if people are morally offended by that truth, but it does annoy me when they base their public policy on their own moral comfort, rather than the facts.
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coward
Trad climber
Boulder, Wyoming
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Aug 30, 2008 - 11:14pm PT
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Skip,
Anything that McCain has said in the past is up to question now. He's probably changed that position by now to make himself more appealing to the Christian right.
You and Werner agreed that "Abortion is Murder". That simple, you both affirmed.
But when it comes to legal protection for "Murder" we should have all different types of standards? Jesus, I'm confused. Are you trying to merry up to the "socialists" with your backpeddling? You're lookin' shaky in your convictions, if you don't mind me sayin'.
Do clarify when we should begin legal protection for the right to life, please.
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bob d'antonio
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Aug 30, 2008 - 11:15pm PT
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Fat wrote: t's funny that you people really believe what either Obama or McCain have to say to get elected as it relates to what will happen in office. Read their books if you want a better view.
I've got a climbing rope that was only used once for sale, no falls, who wants to buy it?
Jody's evil twin........Emperor of Yosemite.
I know he had to pander to the far right all these years but picking her was the last straw for me with McCain.
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coward
Trad climber
Boulder, Wyoming
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Aug 30, 2008 - 11:19pm PT
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Skip,
Sorry for picking on you. I thought you could fight back.
T
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