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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Jul 23, 2007 - 10:25pm PT
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You mean your mommy is telling you it's jammy time.
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Jul 23, 2007 - 10:30pm PT
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Weschrist, You busted in and took a steaming dump in the middle of the living room of some very remarkable people. Now you want them to say it smelled sweet.
How delusional are you? What do you respect? Who the hell do you think you are that you can denigrate Pat Ament, Jeff Lowe and Bob DAntonio? What have you accomplished thats so great that your sh#t don't stink. Get a penis and grow up.
Oh and good job of plagiarizing the uncredited lyrics. The music industry looks real kindly on theft of intellectual property.
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Jul 23, 2007 - 10:54pm PT
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Me too Dingus me too.
peace
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Jul 23, 2007 - 11:04pm PT
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I know Dingus I know.
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caughtinside
Social climber
Davis, CA
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Jul 23, 2007 - 11:14pm PT
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what a great thread! Thanks all for the laffs.
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Curt
Boulder climber
Gilbert, AZ
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Jul 23, 2007 - 11:19pm PT
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"...and you're dead wrong about wes. he's a good guy..."
BVB,
I already tried that. They're just not buyin' it.
Curt
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Jul 23, 2007 - 11:37pm PT
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I was hoping the "don't feed the troll" advice would stick but since it didn't, I have a few remarks.
First, It's obvious that WesChrist=LEB. The symptom is taking numerous threads and making them about him rather than any subject. Personally, I like the thought provoking threads that wes posts, but lately it seems that defensiveness has robbed him of his ability to contribute.
This thread wasn't about who is the greatest climber. I think I got mentioned in the beginning and everybody knows that I'm nobody. It was a positive appreciation of folks who have been around a long time and can give perspective to the sport from seeing it's evolution over time (History)
Seems like Wes felt like it was making an elitist statment that somehow excluded him and the "little guys" (if I try to give him credit for that)
That smacks of insecurity to me. Nobody was putting anybody down or out until Wes arrived. Supertopo is great in that we commonly have threads supporting different folks contributions here. It's a positive thing and encourages more postive contributions.
So a sudden entrance with negative put-downs is naturally regarded as an insult and a negativity. Wes, you make good points sometimes but when the feeling is about "me, me, me" it's just petty.
Keep making us think but don't make us think about you, you, you, or you'll lose you own self respect. Once you get locked in a cycle of defensiveness, you lose your power but don't even know it cause you're caught up in tits for tats.
Take a time out and come back with some more good ideas that don't focus on you, your ego, pride, and hubris.
Peace
karl
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John Moosie
climber
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Jul 23, 2007 - 11:40pm PT
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Wes=LEB yep, thats what I thought too. LOL
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jstan
climber
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Jul 23, 2007 - 11:52pm PT
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Wes has been out for an hour and fifteen minutes now. Have you guys got the next phase planned out? Better get cracking.
The next step will have one or two red herrings attached to the main thrust so you will have to take the time needed to sort it out. Then you will need to play potential moves down several layers to avoid traps. All of the instant uncoordinated activity makes it look as though your honorable opposition is playing to a thirty move horizon. I would guess it is about a three move horizon. So carry your scenarios out at least four or five moves. Just like on a hard climb with no protection for thirty feet. But you know how all that goes.
I have one comment about living history gained from something a friend said when an introduction gave him more praise than he was comfortable accepting. As he stood up to talk he asked, "Does that mean I have to die now?" I don't need to mention any names.
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bob d'antonio
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 24, 2007 - 12:13pm PT
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Khanom...you and Werner are wrong. Last year was a rough year for climbers...we have loss a number of good people.
My OP was just a simple way of showing a little respect and saying thanks to the many people who have shaped and made contributions to our sport while I still had the chance too.
Pretty simple...
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jstan
climber
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Jul 24, 2007 - 12:38pm PT
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Agreed. It has been a very bad year. We have to learn how to do better. Almost everyone here has lost at least one good friend.
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rmuir
Social climber
the Time Before the Rocks Cooled.
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Jul 24, 2007 - 09:23pm PT
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WBraun cleverly said, "Where's my damn baseball bat? I got fastballs to hit into left center and liners down the right field baseline. We need 17 more guys for a real fukin game. Instead they're all over at SuperTopo.com bitching about gawd knows what? Hey hey where the fuk are you guys? I'm waiting over here at the ball park .....
At first, I thought Werner was gonna take that bat to someone's head! [grin]
I vividly recall a pickup baseball game in the Valley sometime in the early/mid 70's... I believe Werner was there, among others. We had at least 18 guys, and the afternoon weather was perfect for America's Favorite Pastime over at the Village School field. A few shared gloves, lots of beer, and even a jug of communal wine was parked near the dugout.
Problem was, somewhere around the top o' the sixth inning a bear of sizable girth lumbered from out of center field and moseyed casually across second base. The critter acted like he owned the place. (Maybe he even shat on our game, just to prove his point.) He wasn't invited, nor was he welcomed. He certainly wasn't amenable to suggestion.
We didn't attack the interloper with the bats; we didn't get all hot-and-bothered. We laughingly all just walked away. Somewhat quickly... End of game. (I think we gathered up all the wine and headed to the Wine Traverse Boulder for other diversions.) We found our fun elsewhere. Good times, none the less.
There's a moral there somewhere...
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Jul 24, 2007 - 09:34pm PT
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rob muir. perfect example of a living legend. and that story you just told, rob, is what this thread is truly all about.
it's NOT about the ins and outs of internet "etiquette". it's not about trolls. it's not about crossed wires.
it's about the largos and muirs and d'antonio's and grammicis and kevin worrals of our little world, still alive and kicking and active and here to lay down in a running oral history the seminal events of the last 40 years in americal climbing. in my experience it is absolutely unique.
when chris jones broke his leg skiing and spent his recoup time writing "climbing in north america", what kind of book could he have produced if he had live, real-time, interactive round-table discussion with all the major players at his fingertips?
like we do here?
food for thought.
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Roger Breedlove
climber
Cleveland Heights, Ohio
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Jul 24, 2007 - 09:42pm PT
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I don't know bvb, Chris sort of did have lots of access, at least compared to most climbers of his time. He certainly knew most everyone either from climbing with them, drinking with them, or skiing with them.
I think I get your point about the benefits of the net, but I don't think Chris was too much hampered. Besides, Chris would never find it very interesting to report 'juicy' personality tidbits. Sort of proper.
Best, Roger
PS: What do you say, Chris? Care to respond yourself, you old goat. Hee he.
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Jul 24, 2007 - 10:21pm PT
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and i get your point, roger.
more to the point: chris was never able to engage all the players on a 24/7 conference call -- he had to call folks, or meet 'em at a bar, individually. it's more interactive here.
even more to the point:
peopole like ROGER FUKKIN' BREEDLOVE and WERNER BRAUN take the time to respond to something i wrote. even remember my name.
that's the amazing thing about the tacostand. truly. it's like a first-year grad student in physics getting to trade e-mails with fermi or einstien or oppenheimer.
maybe the "kids" who started climbing in the 80's just don't get it. but i do. i've wandered the intrenet for years.
music sites. math sites. poetry sites.
this place is pretty much unique in that you can write something, hit "send", and unexpectedly have one of the folks who were monumentally influential in the field send you a personal response.
bob d is right on....supertopo in an absolute phenomena. many of the threads, such as the "stonemasters" thing, were amazing.
imagine a baseball forum where you got to trade thoughts with dimaggio? never happen.
but climbers, as a rule, are far more humble, far more down-to-earth.
personally, i attribute this to the extraordinarily dangerous nature of top-flight climbing in the 50's, 60's, and 70's. when you've heard the flutter of angel wings in your ears a few dozen times, it truly brings home your place on the earth, and your humanity. it makes you more willing to engage your youngers, those who are still struggling on the path...because maybe you understand the luck that you lived through it, and your responsibility to impart that which you suspect you may beleive or know on those who still struggle on that path.
i'm drunk, btw.
burn this post.
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bob d'antonio
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 24, 2007 - 10:25pm PT
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Supertopo is like many campfires that I never had the chance to sit at. Many people on this site are friends and peers. Some I have climbed with and most I have have not. It a chance to connect and talk about things that we share and stories about people we love and care about.
I am glad you folks are keeping the fire alive. You inspired me back then and you do now. Hope you all well and things in your lives are good.
Later, Bob
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Raydog
Trad climber
Boulder Colorado
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Jul 24, 2007 - 10:25pm PT
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good post bvb - good thoughts and so true.
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WBraun
climber
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Jul 24, 2007 - 10:33pm PT
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Awe c'mon guys we gota stop all this fuzzy yakin in this thread and go out and kick some ass.
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bob d'antonio
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 24, 2007 - 10:40pm PT
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Werner...two new routes today. One was 5.8 and the other 5.11d.
I ain't stopping till they burn my body and even then I'll float on...somewhere!
Later, Bob
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Jul 24, 2007 - 10:56pm PT
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Werner may have been hoping for a (virtual) group hug. Rumour has it that he's all fuzzy and warm and cuddly, sort of like #46.
bvb - Right on. I've met "famous" people of various kinds. Climbers are much the most egalitarian.
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