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dirtbag
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Nov 15, 2018 - 08:55am PT
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Lol, founder. R.I.P., the actor who played him died recently.
I have no idea specifically who should/will win in 2020. I haven’t paid much attention to elections beyond 2018. My preference would be someone boring and competent. Whoever emerges from the pack will not be able to compete with trump for air time or in his preferred field of battle (see Warren, Elizabeth, pocahontas). But, I have a hunch that with 2 more years of trump drama, boring and competent will look extremely appealing.
Edit: no hillary!
Edit 2: no Biden! (Though he would be a great person to stump for the nominee.)
Edit 3: no Bernie!
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Lituya
Mountain climber
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Nov 15, 2018 - 09:36am PT
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I'm gonna go out on limb here and predict 2020
Gillibrand vs Flake
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Trump
climber
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Nov 15, 2018 - 09:50am PT
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I’ve learned to think that maybe Trump is entering the Querencia phase of his presidency.
Poor Donald - if only he had learned to think that those who don’t learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
Me, I’ve learned to think that I’ve learned to think the best things. Sometimes I’ve even learned to think the same thing more than once.
A guy just won the lottery after playing the same numbers since 1993. Who knows, maybe I’ll be right this time around.
Happy Thursday people!
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i'm gumby dammit
Sport climber
da ow
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Nov 15, 2018 - 09:51am PT
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^possibly.
I wouldn't rule out the two women of color either. Neither one is Oprah.
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apogee
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Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Nov 15, 2018 - 10:33am PT
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In some respects, Hillary would be one of the best choices to go up against Trump: she's way more qualified for the job than Trump is, and there can be no doubt that she'd push back hard against his constant wall of bullsh#t...and given her experience with him during the 2016 campaigns, she'd be doubly motivated to crush his sh#t. I can't think of any other Democrat potential candidate right now that would be as able to go toe to toe with him in the way that is needed.
But her sense of entitlement and 'destiny' around being POTUS is a real turn-off- she is about as establishment as it gets, and this country really needs a new, fresh direction. A great number of votes Trump received were more about votes against Hillary (rather than direct support for Trump), and that kind of negative view is not going to change. Many of those who voted against her by voting for Trump would likely just stay home...with a similar net effect.
Hillary, please don't run.
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August West
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Where the wind blows strange
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Nov 15, 2018 - 10:51am PT
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^^^Is Trump a wee bit worried?
He should be.
Why should he be? You think republicans will turn on him?
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August West
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Where the wind blows strange
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Nov 15, 2018 - 10:52am PT
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Edit: no hillary!
Edit 2: no Biden! (Though he would be a great person to stump for the nominee.)
Edit 3: no Bernie!
How about just somebody who would still be under 65 when they are sworn in in 2021?
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August West
Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
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Nov 15, 2018 - 10:55am PT
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Given the electoral college, Trump could well win again in 2020 and lose the popular vote a second time.
I imagine his mental shape by 2024 would be much worse than even Reagan's dementia was by the end of his administration. Of course, Trump supporters won't be able to tell the difference.
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apogee
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Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Nov 15, 2018 - 10:59am PT
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"Why should he be? You think republicans will turn on him?"
Yes, absolutely they will.
The right combination of Mueller investigative findings, along with a slacking economy, will certainly be enough to get a significant portion of Republicans in Congress to start to move against him. Though many have enjoyed drafting behind him, there are also plenty of Republicans that are as sick of his blathering sh#t as anyone.
The voters will do the same: sure, his base will turn out for him even if he shoots someone in Times Square, but there are more than enough 2016 Trump voters out there who would bail on him (for similar reasons as Congressional Republicans) if a reasonable alternative was presented.
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dirtbag
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Nov 15, 2018 - 11:15am PT
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I have no faith in republicans to ever turn on him. They’re hopelessly corrupt. Chickenshits all of them.
But, unless he is pardoned, he might face charges when he leaves office. Also, many states could charge him if state violations are revealed.
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EdwardT
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Retired
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Nov 15, 2018 - 11:23am PT
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Anyone care to bet on the 2020 election?
I'll put $50 on Trump NOT winning the 2020 President election!
Loser donates to a cause picked by the winner.
Edit: Bet is cancelled if Trump is forced out of office due to criminal wrongdoing.
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apogee
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Nov 15, 2018 - 11:28am PT
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Too soon to take a bet like that, Edward. Though there are at least one or two Trumpsters here that just might take you up on it.
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apogee
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Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Nov 15, 2018 - 11:30am PT
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"They’re hopelessly corrupt."
That's exactly why some of them will turn on him. This is GOP politics, after all...the guy in office is supported only to the extent they support their own interests.
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dirtbag
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Nov 15, 2018 - 11:55am PT
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The problem is that the gop can’t survivie without trump’s hard core base, and they will never abandon him. We’ve seen them concoct all kinds of loony excuses and stories in his defense. Ultimately this is why the gop is a slowly sinking ship. They are completely dependent on the faux news/breitbart folks who are, to put it mildly, a fact-challenged yet limited demographic group. But, a small majority of the electorate are completely repulsed by this bigoted, crooked nuttery.
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apogee
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Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Nov 15, 2018 - 12:10pm PT
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Well, we'll see how it goes. I do believe there is a tipping point where a significant number of Republicans will jump ship, but whether or not we reach that point is the real question. If conditions stay more or less like they are right now, that probably won't happen.
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the Fet
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Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Nov 15, 2018 - 12:14pm PT
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Trump NOT winning the 2020 President election!
Betting odds are at -170 currently.
Bet $170 to win $100 if Trump loses.
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WBraun
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Nov 15, 2018 - 12:26pm PT
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The system is and has always been rigged to support the ruling class.
The ruling class is corrupt and st00pid in this modern age.
The ignorant public is even st00pidier than ever by the way of their retarded corrupt controlled media.
You politard loons will never learn as you yourselves are swimming in the very same st00pid swamp ......
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couchmaster
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Nov 15, 2018 - 12:28pm PT
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Edward, folks would get better odds on Predictit. https://www.predictit.org/
....and in an attempt to help you, a bit of free advise is to never bet against Trump. That's what I've learned, and it cost me some real money. Not as much as I made betting he'd win the 2016 election at 3 to 1 odds...but enough to learn my lesson. In fact, I just bought into NO on the "Will Trump be impeached in his first term" market. 100 shares at $62 a share. If he gets impeached I'm out $62 bucks. I expect that those shares will be crap when the Mueller investigation starts in on Trump, in which case I'm planning on loading up with more shares. You can make a lot of money off guys like some of these ST idiots who bet with their hearts and not their minds.
I just sold most of my "Will Trump be President at the end of 2018 at $.97/share, I'd bought them in the .60/range not long back. Remember to read the rules carefully before you toss your $ratch into the pot. Sometimes the title differs or the rules have a trick to it.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Nov 15, 2018 - 12:44pm PT
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Thanks couch - After Apogee talked about Hillary being the only Dem able to hold her own against Trump and August saying he'll win because of the Electoral College I just put it out there.
Predictit is interesting. Kind of an ante up public sentiment site.
Right now the odds of Trump being impeached next year are 1:2.
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