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Fritz
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Choss Creek, ID
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Feb 27, 2018 - 11:24am PT
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Madbolter1! Re your remark: And just when some of us were starting to have a reasonable conversation.
I have a likely vain hope that you say that tongue in cheek, since it strongly appears your definition of "a reasonable conversation" involves frequent & long posts on your part & no disagreement from anyone else.
I sigh for you.
But, There's hope folks!
and what happens to teachers brandishing firearms, when the SWAT Team shows up?
Swat?
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RussianBot
climber
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Feb 27, 2018 - 11:31am PT
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Nice madbolter! Oh those unreasonable radicals! See - those unreasonable radicals are the reason why we can’t have nice things!
Liberals are butthurt morons. Other people are wrong to believe things without providing the data to back it up, but I’m ok for believing things without providing the data to back it up. And who’s gonna prove anything based on what the studies show anyway?
Reasonable maybe means something different where I come from.
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Robb
Social climber
Aloft on the wings of grace
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Feb 27, 2018 - 11:36am PT
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monolith
climber
state of being
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Feb 27, 2018 - 11:52am PT
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Reilly, git yurself a modurn display.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Feb 27, 2018 - 12:10pm PT
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I'd suggest the evidence from the UK and Australia is that is does (we've had one in 25 years post Dunblane).
Forget it. Since Australia more or less solved the problem, it will be totally ignored on this thread.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Feb 27, 2018 - 01:47pm PT
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These gun free zones are Death Traps!!!!
I stay in Gun Full Zones at all times just for peace of mind, all those twitchy gun nuts with open carry make me feel safe.
Luckily I'm white, so I'm not on the radar.
As they say "Happiness is a warm gun"
I'm not sure how I made it through 12 years of school in an actual gun free zone, luck I guess.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Feb 27, 2018 - 02:38pm PT
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Upthread Ed referred to the late Antonin Scalia’s writing of the majority opinion in the SCOTUS decision in the Heller vs. District of Columbia case. This decision was a firm affirmation of second amendment rights.
Justice Scalia’s writing of the majority opinion is a very interesting read. While Ed posted a small bit of it, those of us who are interested in the context of that statement should read through the entire opinion. I find it fascinating, and perhaps the platform for a rational discussion of gun control.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/pdf/07-290P.ZO
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Feb 27, 2018 - 02:47pm PT
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teacher of fortune, lmfao fritz!
yes...banning guns doesn't work Jody.....no one wants to touch your cold dead hands anyway.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Feb 27, 2018 - 02:52pm PT
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Worth the read--by an Aussie gun owner re. similar policy in the USA:
It won't work here because Americans are gun perverts? I don't buy that argument.
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Bad Climber
Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
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Feb 27, 2018 - 03:07pm PT
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A LOT more to the article than that, not least of which is that Australia has 12 million FEWER people than just California. Compared to a country of about 350 million? The place is tiny in terms of population. I think the # of AR15's alone is something like 15 million. The scale, the culture, the history, the Constitution mean that an Aussie policy would not work here. Of course, the Parkland shooting could have EASILY been avoided had LEO's done their freakin' jobs. This one was an easy one to avoid, but rank, rank incompetence and laziness and who knows what else let it happen. It's sickening. Actually, as I think of it, the event in some ways follows the path of big industrial accidents like plane crashes: mistake after mistake builds until the 707 plows into the mountain. The FBI got a call from a woman who knew the psycho. She told them clearly and explicitly that he would do this. Their reaction? Well, let's think about it. Gaze at our cell phones. Wank our wankers. Do JACK SH*T and just let it happen. GAH!
BAd
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Feb 27, 2018 - 03:20pm PT
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Its like saying gun bans in Chicago don't work....when in Indiana 30 minutes from town they are selling Saturday night specials like cotton candy at the fair.
It's illegal for an Illinois resident to buy a firearm in Indiana.
Since it's just as illegal for an Illinois resident to buy a gun in Indiana as it is to buy one in Chicago, why would anyone leave the state to do it?
Even criminals can use their heads.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Feb 27, 2018 - 03:36pm PT
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A LOT more to the article than that, not least of which is that Australia has 12 million FEWER people than just California.
Bad Climber, I just don't see that that matters. Why not try? What do we have to lose? School massacres?
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Lituya
Mountain climber
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Feb 27, 2018 - 04:03pm PT
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@BraveCowboy
Mr Abbey was pro-Second Amendment--for the same reasons you ought to be. A couple of my favorite Ed quotes:
“When guns are outlawed, only the Government will have guns. The Government - and a few outlaws. If that happens, you can count me among the outlaws.”
“Guns don’t kill people; people kill people. Of course, people with guns kill more people. But that’s only natural. It’s hard. But it’s fair.”
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eeyonkee
Trad climber
Golden, CO
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Feb 27, 2018 - 04:16pm PT
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Nice last video link Locker! In some ways, I wish he would have a toned it down a little, only because I know it will immediately turn off conservatives who might otherwise be moved by our natural human disdain for individuals who are liars. As disdainful as that broadcast was, Lawrence didn't even touch on what I had emphasized in my previous post -- that he, the President, called out publically an individual as being a coward and then went on to speculate about his own (likely) superhero response. He is despicable and disgraceful. How anyone could take that out of their calculus for approving of his job as President is mind boggling to me.
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TradEddie
Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
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Feb 27, 2018 - 04:30pm PT
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Of course, the Parkland shooting could have EASILY been avoided had LEO's done their freakin' jobs.
Can you experts tell me what the police could have done in this situation? A "law abiding" adult with no convictions, no restraining orders, never committed to a mental institution. No proof he ever threatened anybody. I suppose we could ask the cops to confiscate guns from everybody who has ever posted super macho pics on FB with their guns.
The most they could possibly have done was scared him. Maybe scared him straight, maybe scared him into more detailed planning and even more deaths. Even if he was judged to be mentally unsuitable to possess guns, there is no way to know how many he ever legally bought, so we'd rely on the honor system to ensure he surrendered them all.
TE
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Feb 27, 2018 - 04:40pm PT
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nineteen reports about the individual to LE. Fb posts including "I want to kill people..."
but it was jelly donut and bad coffee day down at Lardnutz Nuticatessen, so....
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Feb 27, 2018 - 04:51pm PT
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TradEddie
Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
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Feb 27, 2018 - 05:18pm PT
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nineteen reports about the individual to LE. Fb posts including "I want to kill people..."
Still not remotely enough under current law to bring this guy to the top of any police priority list. It's not a crime to want to kill people, nor to say it publicly, just ask Ted Nugent. Cops are too busy reporting illegals to ICE and other serious problems of society.
TE
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Feb 27, 2018 - 05:23pm PT
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Saying you're going to shoot up a school is a terroristic threat, which is a crime.
There were so many prior warning signs with this latest guy it's almost like someone wanted it to happen.
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