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monolith

climber
state of being
Dec 16, 2017 - 12:35pm PT
https://www.snopes.com/pelosi-healthcare-pass-the-bill-to-see-what-is-in-it/
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Dec 16, 2017 - 12:37pm PT
What’s coming to light is even more terrifying—that the FBI and other US intel agencies appear to have taken sides in an election and then used a known-fake dossier to get warrants from a judge. When you hear libs and assorted DC elites harping on about how stupid the electorate is, well, you have to wonder just how committed to democracy these folks really are. Sounds more like “we know best.”

I see that it's more than your name that is Russian.
Norton

climber
The Wastelands
Dec 16, 2017 - 01:30pm PT
oh my, it appears the Republicans once again have AMNESIA

remember back in the 1980s when the Repubs and Reagan promised that if we cut the taxes on the highest income Americans they would be SO appreciative that they would "create jobs", and then the things would "trickle down" to us peasants

and so Reagan cut taxes, and the economy went into RECESSION

and because the loss of income to the government due to the tax cuts made the deficit grow Reagan then RAISED taxes, 11 times

now enter Republican Senate, House, and George Bush Presidency, it is 2003 this time around

AMNESIA again, let us cut taxes for the rich and they will be so appreciative they will "create jobs" for the peasants, trickle down time again

and once again this failed, the US economy went into the worst RECESSION since the 1930s

and of course the deficit and national debt exploded

enter 2117, now, AMNESIA AGAIN, if we cut taxes the jobs will magically appear!
and so what if the deficit and national debt grow by a trillion dollars, because, eventually growth will make it all back up

even top CEOs are now saying they will use the tax cuts to buy back more of their shares and NOT "create jobs"

lied to, over and over and over, do not ever, ever, let Republicans handle money, period
Studly

Trad climber
WA
Dec 16, 2017 - 02:57pm PT
Hey Ken M., is your middle name ahole? Seems like it. and I'm no Republican.
NutAgain!

Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
Dec 16, 2017 - 05:28pm PT
I'm curious to hear from Republican folks who give considered answers and not just knee-jerk name-calling responses.... Do you believe in the concept of trickle-down economics, that tax cuts for wealthy and corporations lead to more job hiring and general economic prosperity? Or is that just barely plausible enough, and the reality complex enough, to say "I don't know" and focus on abortion or an ethic of personal freedom and responsibility as the main reasons to vote Repub?

Lituya

Mountain climber
Dec 17, 2017 - 11:51am PT
More collusion!!

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-42386258


Norton

climber
The Wastelands
Dec 17, 2017 - 01:38pm PT
you are talking about the Steele dossier I assume?

and you say it is fake news, so to speak..

and you conclude that a Federal Judge has been lied to in order to issue court orders allowing the Mueller team along with the Senate and House Intelligence Committees to proceed in the Trump Russian investigation?

have you read this, what do you know that proves the definitive findings to be lies?
have you been invited to testify under oath to present your rebuttals?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump–Russia_dossier
Lituya

Mountain climber
Dec 17, 2017 - 04:57pm PT
Sorry dude, you are just trash if you believe or promote this. Nothing you say matters in this discussion.

Newsflash, Douch%bag--nothing anyone says here matters. But thanks for confirming, once again, why tards like you are so self-limited.
Lituya

Mountain climber
Dec 17, 2017 - 05:01pm PT
Norton, do you read what you post?

"The dossier was produced as part of opposition research during the 2016 U.S. presidential election. After Trump emerged as the probable Republican nominee, attorney Marc Elias of the Perkins Coie law firm retained American research firm Fusion GPS to conduct opposition research about Trump on behalf of the Democratic National Committee and Clinton presidential campaign. Fusion GPS later contracted Steele to compile the dossier.[6] Following Trump's election as president, Steele continued working on the report, with funding from Democrats ceasing and financing finally coming directly from Glenn R. Simpson of Fusion GPS.[7] The completed dossier and its information was then passed on to British and American intelligence services.
Krease

Gym climber
the inferno
Dec 17, 2017 - 05:12pm PT
Hey dude, do you climb, or just spend time polishing drumpf's golf club?
WBraun

climber
Dec 17, 2017 - 05:26pm PT
LOL ... the nutcase politard is linking wiki about on the Russian horsesh!t which is just that total horsesh!t.

Brainwashed idiots .....
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Dec 17, 2017 - 11:02pm PT
Common sense tells us that Trump will start squirming when the heat gets too hot...Trump's squirming and waging an all out propaganda assault on Muellar and the FBI cause they're closing in on him..Good entertainment..
Lituya

Mountain climber
Dec 18, 2017 - 08:51am PT
Steyer doesn’t even make the Forbes top 400 here in the US. So you found a guilty barely-billionaire who’s not a currency manipulator like George Soros? Steyer is just a California loon who built his empire on a Ponzi scheme that duped foreign investors.

And that $65m he spent on the 2016 election? Is that the $$$$ in politics you all are always complaining about?

Got any Koch videos you’d like to post?
Lennox

climber
in the land of the blind
Dec 18, 2017 - 10:24am PT
^ ^ ^ ^

I really like how you avoid the lure of the ad hominem attack, and instead focus on presenting a cogent rebuttal to the points that Steyer raises.
Splater

climber
Grey Matter
Dec 18, 2017 - 10:32am PT
^^^^
standard alt right faux logic

#butwhataboutmybuttbrain
Lituya

Mountain climber
Dec 18, 2017 - 10:47am PT
Lennox, Steyer’s latest video is built from cherry-picked data and weak correlation-causation assumptions derived in a vacuum. It was made for simpletons—like most Democrat voters. Don’t you ever wonder why these lib billionaires support candidates like Hillary Clinton and not Bernie Sanders?
Gnome Ofthe Diabase

climber
Out Of Bed
Dec 18, 2017 - 10:58am PT
Lie to you, how long will it be before the truth dawns on you?

Is there any truth that trump won't flaunt to make a buck?
He and His companies are in constant violation of laws, in court over non-preformance of contract stipulations, not to mention defaulting on loans, but all that aside, his interests, are in formenting chaos world wide, reducing democratically governed countries to bring about a total totalitarian agenda world wide, one positive, You are gonna Die
dirtbag

climber
Dec 18, 2017 - 01:59pm PT
Don’t bother trying to persuade Trumpkins, this column suggests. Shame them.

These voters are, indeed, angry. And their feelings are not entirely unreasonable: They fear — rightly — that much of the culture of political correctness is aimed at squelching their participation in public life. And, yes, they have legitimate concerns about globalization and changes that have both improved their standard of living and put many of them out of work.

But if these were really the issues at the bedrock of Trump’s support, more of these voters would care about values and policy than actually do. The same people who blasted the Clintons — again, rightly — for sex, lies and elitist corruption are rallying behind a cast of characters in Washington who make the “swamps” of previous administrations look like experiments in good government. In their world, Michael Flynn is a hero and Robert S. Mueller III the enemy. The FBI is worse than the KGB.


None of this is rational, and it cannot be remedied with reasonable argument. These are the politics of resentment. Although inevitably poisonous, resentment feels good. It gives meaning to a life in turmoil. It allows voters to dismiss facts at will. It’s a great rationale for staying put and staying mad. It gives focus to an otherwise inchoate rage. Why is your life less than you want it to be? It’s all Don Lemon’s fault.

The only response to such irrational and even hateful politics is to bypass pointless arguments and instead try to rouse a sense of basic decency. Are you arguing that black families were better off under slavery? Shame on you. Do you really believe America is no better than Russia? Shame on you.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/shame-worked-in-alabama/2017/12/18/18c843c8-e422-11e7-ab50-621fe0588340_story.html?utm_term=.106dd92a2a21

He makes some good points, and shame undoubtedly helped in Alabama, but I think its application is limited since too often attempts to shame lead to endless whataboutisms and false moral equivalences.


Nonetheless...

Lituya

Mountain climber
Dec 18, 2017 - 03:32pm PT
but all that aside, his interests, are in formenting chaos world wide, reducing democratically governed countries to bring about a total totalitarian agenda world wide, one positive, You are gonna Die.

Oh dear, well, I certainly don’t want to die. I see now I should have voted for Hillary!


Total.

F*#king.

Nut job.
dirtbag

climber
Dec 18, 2017 - 03:59pm PT
Change the tone. Talk eye to eye, on the level, as equals, as if (perish their thought) their answers have merit.

Meet in the middle

I don’t think that works anymore, for the same reason I’m skeptical about shaming: the only folks left to discuss anything with are hyper partisan, and largely voted for rage politics instead of policies or ideas. They certainly are getting their money’s worth right now. How many cogent arguments in favor of trump policies have you seen here? Even ones you disagree with? I’ve only seen a handful. For example, does anyone who understands the giant turd of a tax bill that’s about to become law really like it? That bill is a lot of things, but it ain’t Trump populism circa 2016.

Getting like minded people to the polls to out vote them is the only hope for change.
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