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Ed Hartouni

Trad climber

Livermore, CA

Jul 15, 2017 - 11:49am PT

I think your point is rapidly being addressed in the abilities of women climbers as they obtain the access they seek to do routes in the style they find appropriate for them, just as you did.

That was my point on the OW dig, you didn't and still don't find them very aesthetic, so you didn't do them... but that doesn't make any statement other than your choice of style.

You can define "worthy climbing" only subjectively, and it is a fashion for sure, but there is nothing absolute about it.

And reducing climbing to a mere sport where athleticism is the only dimension worth talking about seems to be contradictory to your own statements regarding the values of climbing.

Take that component away and your point is on shaky ground indeed.

Ed Hartouni

Trad climber

Livermore, CA

Jul 15, 2017 - 01:22pm PT

I know you still climb, and I wish you many more years of doing it, with many more amazing adventures to report.

(It's not my Valley, but I do like to go there a lot).

SC seagoat

Trad climber

Santa Cruz, Moab, A sailboat, or some time zone

Jul 15, 2017 - 05:14pm PT

Feminists believe it's because of male oppressio

You are so full of sh#t.

Susan

SC seagoat

Trad climber

Santa Cruz, Moab, A sailboat, or some time zone

Jul 15, 2017 - 05:34pm PT

OMG. The revered research journal psychology today.
I retract my ad hominem attack in light of being set straight by the depth of your research and deep thinking about such profound topics.

Carry on

Susan

Ps Kanazawa is full of sh#t, not you, you're just acting as the sewer hose.

anita514

Gym climber

Great White North

Jul 15, 2017 - 06:08pm PT

I was feeling kind of like a loser for being at home last night watching Titanic... but then I checked this thread and immediately felt better.

skcreidc

Social climber

SD, CA

Jul 16, 2017 - 10:31am PT

Looks like this thread is getting down to the finalists!

Largo

Sport climber

The Big Wide Open Face

Jul 16, 2017 - 01:51pm PT

The Bill M. piece was raunchy but he did raise an inescapable truth: You cannot reform biology, and acting like we have, or should, is nothing but charades.

But what's really at issue here is control. It has always been the men who have determined what the standard female role should be within a given society - from jobs to salaries to whatever. Trump was a huge step backwards in this regards because the role he seems to endorse is outdated by decades.