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Bullwinkle
Boulder climber
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Sep 29, 2017 - 08:25am PT
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Ain't it great how all the white folk get so, uppity, when a Black Man with money speaks out against racism...df
Edit, See what I mean? Classic case, loser. . .ha! Loser deleted, can't even stand behind his words. . .
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EdBannister
Mountain climber
13,000 feet
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Sep 29, 2017 - 08:51am PT
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Hmmm, how many of you think the workplace is the place to protest? The NFL turned down the request to honor fallen police officers in Texas, because it was political, why is this ok when that was not? oh wait, not a level playing field?
The Duck nailed it.. true.. and when he spells incorrectly it is on purpose.
and Mr. Bear, to a leftist results do not count, only accusations...
just a few fun facts:
Black population at the start and finish of Obama's 2 terms.
Lower rate of home ownership.
Lower employment rate.
Lower net worth.
and, if you check lifestyle among black population, where it is the worst i.e. black on black murder, unemployment, etc. those are all cities run by the left, for the last 50 years.. but no dots connected.
meanwhile i no longer watch or listen, to the NFL.. i do not work for an organization the hires felons, or Michael Vick after conviction, or endorses disrespect for the country.. yes still imperfect. yes prosecute convict, and i say execute any cop who kills anyone who is not a threat. but an unarmed black man is more likely to be hit by lightning, by a factor of two, than he is to be killed by a cop.
For those who require no documentation when it is an accusation of collusion, 300 people per year are killed in the USA by lightning strikes. Black population is ten percent so the likelihood is about 30 black victims. 2014 is the most recent FBI statistic year available, 16 unarmed blacks were killed by police, including those who posed a threat. So if you are black, you are twice as likely to be struck by lightning and killed, as you are to be killed by a cop when you have no weapon. all round numbers mind you, no 23.7 with implied accuracy of plus or minus one half of 1%.
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Sep 29, 2017 - 10:06am PT
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So Ed, you're saying that African Americans should [edit: not] be concerned about being murdered by a police officer during a routine traffic stop because it's more likely statistically that they'll be killed by lightening?
Also, remember the old Shakespeare quote, "the devil can quote Scripture for his purpose"?, any Republican can find a soundbite from an African American and rely on that as the left's failure to improve the lot of African Americans. That doesn't eliminate the reality that the right not only failed, but failed to even attempt to improve black communities. Also, the economics references by Ed are likely true as to all Americans. Home ownership has slipped out of reach for all Americans. Wages have lowered for all Americans, etc., etc. Convenient how Ed failed to apply those statistics to the other 87% of the population.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Sep 29, 2017 - 07:34pm PT
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Ed Bannister...Repubs want more over-population for cheap labor to appease their corporate owners...The Repubs are the ones cutting planned parenthood and sex education acting all holy and spiritual....The pious Repubs are the ones telling the poor to f*#k off when they need help eating and paying rent ... In my book Ryan and McConnell and any of the other hypocrite millionaire republicans that use Jesus as a calling card should be prosecuted for fraud and imprisoned...
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Ed Bannister...Repubs want more over-population for cheap labor to appease their corporate owners...The Repubs are the ones cutting planned parenthood and sex education acting all holy and spiritual....The pious Repubs are the ones telling the poor to f*#k off when they need help eating and paying rent ... In my book Ryan and McConnell and any of the other hypocrite millionaire republicans that use Jesus as a calling card should be prosecuted for fraud and imprisoned...
Well said rj.
Well I watched the Anthems for both MLB wildcard games and no one on either team sat or kneeled in protest, what gives?
Is MLB classier than the NFL?
Thought you were better than this, Tad.
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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I'm reminded of the old saying, "Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel". Justice Brennan, when discussing a flag burning case said that while one should respect the flag, he wouldn't wrap himself in it. People didn't die for the flag or the anthem. They died for what they stand for. If an African American rightfully wonders whether he or she will survive a routine traffic stop by a white cop, you have to wonder what the flag represents to them.
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Social climber
Wilds of New Mexico
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Half the people at pro games are buying beer or pissing in a urinal during the anthem. Why is that ok but taking a knee to make an actual point is wrong? I don't care either way, It's just a song and a piece of fabric. The creepy jingoism and fake patriotism associated with it is weird-- I'd sit through it if I didn't think some cretin would beat me up.
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Mike Honcho
Trad climber
Glenwood Springs, CO
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Did Kapernick ever get a job?
Nope, he's fully unemployed right now. Look folks, all this is about ratings, which have been and are down with the NFL. You can go on and on about patriotism and all that but the reason Kapernick is unemployed is because of how unpopular with fans he is.
Ratings are down, he's unemployed. It does seem like he's the fall guy for all this though. He's a way better quarterback than many starters right now.
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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And that is why I stand,
to recognize the sacrifice they made. Tad, I totally respect your decision. I stand (and sing along) when they play the Anthem at the Hollywood Bowl. You gotta do what works for you. However, I also agree ontheedge that many others (including those probably criticizing Kaepernick) are equally, if not more, disrespectful. In Kansas City, they scream 'home of the..."Chiefs!" instead of "brave". People run to the head or buy snacks, talk, etc., etc. Lots of disrespect to go around. Not that Kaepernick is even disrespecting the Anthem. He's just using it to make a conscious statement.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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DMT... Nude NFL stars... ? That's pretty f*#ked up sh#t dude...! Film them playing in womens' lingerie...
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dirtbag
climber
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Yes, the Trump Organization.
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atchafalaya
Boulder climber
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Peaceful, non-violent protest is always ok. Glad he is allowed to have and make known his opinion.
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atchafalaya
Boulder climber
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"And I am glad to make my opinion known by not watching the NFL"
I support your peaceful, non-violent protest, too.
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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This includes justified killings of unarmed suspects.
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Bad Climber
Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
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This is worth a read.
https://www.snopes.com/do-police-kill-more-whites-than-black-people/
More whites than blacks are killed by police, while the blacks have a higher possibility of being killed. While race can certainly play a part in this--some folks are violent racists--there's also no doubt that African-Americans are responsible for a disproportionate amount of violent crime, which would place them in harms way more frequently. Also, African-Americans tend to live in more dangerous neighborhoods, too. And, of course, they are WAY, WAY, WAY more likely to be killed by a brother in the hood than any cop, white or black. So, yeah, some cops shouldn't be cops, and ALL cops must be held to the highest standard, but Kaepernick's protest kind of misses the target if we really want to save black lives.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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whites kill more whites than people of color do.
the ultimate white privilege is to grouse about a black guy exercising constitutional rights while a white supremacist gleefully shits all over the Constitution and the American people.
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Bad Climber
Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
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@xCon: I'm actually off for some climbing right now--astonishing, eh? But I can look it up later. A little basic googling will find this to be true, however. I don't know about absolute numbers, but the key here is "disproportionate." I'm happy to be found wrong.
Okay, 30 seconds of wk. turned up this. Lots more out there. See the table. As I suspected, whites do more--in total because more whites--but as African Americans are a much smaller group, they are found to commit a disproportionate amount of the crime:
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/apr/02/sally-kohn/sally-kohn-white-men-69-percent-arrested-violent/
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Asians have a long history of discrimination and systematic racism in this country as well, yet Asians score extremely low on the poverty/violent crime scale.
Why the blacks? 4% of the population being responsible for half the U.S. murders is more than systematic racism.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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How come African American crime is higher now than it was during the days of The Great Depression, when poverty was worse and racism was institutionalized?
4% of the population being responsible for half of the U.S. murders is shameful. Making excuses for it is also shameful.
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