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Ksolem
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Monrovia, California
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Jun 22, 2015 - 10:59am PT
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You're right. We need less guns. The only way to achieve that is through more laws.
We are not enforcing the laws already on the books. Illegal transactions are happening all the time. How our latest maniac got his gun had to be illegal.
I'm with you on registration. In CA it's the law, and it is not an impediment to any law abiding person who wants to buy a gun. Same with background checks.
Remember the Wash. D.C. sniper? Allegedly he shoplifted the gun from a dealer in Tacoma. But the dealer had no records on over 200 guns which had gone through his store including Malvo's. He lost his licence. Then he had the balls to appeal the decision. For letting 200+ guns get into circulation without a trace, no more licence. That's all. He should have gotten serious jail time.
Today he manages a shooting range in the same building!!
Enforce the laws we have. Punish the f**ks who violate gun laws harshly enough, and publicize these cases. A whole lot fewer guns will get into circulation. Parents who let their kids get guns, no matter how, should be accomplices in whatever god-awful scenario results.
What's with the 20 year limit to ownership?
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jstan
climber
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Jun 22, 2015 - 11:00am PT
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the frenzied dogmatic response of the unbelievers.
We take note and remember the frenzied reaction and completely miss other responses. It is a natural bias one must allow for.
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Norton
Social climber
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Jun 22, 2015 - 11:00am PT
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So, what underlies this desire to murder and terrorize? Hopelessness? Powerlessness?
I think Paul has it right, hopelessness and feeling powerless
both of which are highly unlikely to be either eradicated or even mitigated
so, we are back to square one: It continues, and yes, it IS the "price we pay for a free
and openly armed country"
no we can't really do anything about it on a Federal level, although some cities like
New York and some states like Massachusetts have both the toughest gun control laws
and also some of the fewest gun deaths per capital
VERY restrictive gun laws DO "work", in some places
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Jun 22, 2015 - 11:04am PT
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My brother lives just outside Boston. He teaches tactical shooting and has a concealed carry permit. He had to jump through some hoops, but he has no problem with MA gun laws.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Jun 22, 2015 - 11:10am PT
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Oops! Locker, your (accurate) quote of me shows I made grammatical errors. I should have said "Jesus said murder and mistreatment would happen, and following Him would not guaranty protection from mistreatment, but rather the opposite."
As for quoting a book written by a "MAN" [sic], I agree that humans wrote the Bible, but I also believe in the orthodox doctrine that God inspired the writers. The Armenian word for the Bible translates to "The Breath of God." My personal experience is that I could not, and did not, believe the Bible of my own accord. The Holy Spirit provides the necessary and sufficient condition for belief.
In simpler terms, we seem fundamentally to disagree. I'm OK with that. I still value your opinions and (internet) friendship. If I only associated with those in agreement with me, I'd be awfully lonely.
John
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Jun 22, 2015 - 11:21am PT
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What's with the 20 year limit to ownership?
Sorry about being unclear.
My point was that the law would remain in tact for 20 years.
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dave729
Trad climber
Western America
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Jun 22, 2015 - 11:25am PT
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If I may usurp the phase, 'you people are so stupid'. Guns are not the
problem. What is the problem is in peoples minds. The mentally ill are
being driven to ruin by powerful drugs, combined with the ceaseless drum
beat of Breaking News that endlessly shouts doom and gloom, falsely
claiming humanity is the problem, blah blah blah till someone snaps and
goes on a killing spree.
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Norton
Social climber
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Jun 22, 2015 - 11:26am PT
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We should have stayed in the trees......
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Jun 22, 2015 - 11:29am PT
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"God was no where to be found, and he obviously does not answer prayers"
And here comes another X-catholic who's memorized the words in their special bible yet they don't know who Jesus the Christ is. When the flood comes and they get scared they pray to mother Mary asking for a life raft to save their bodies and when nothing appears before their eyes they don't ask God, why have You forsaken me? And why didn't You provide for my worldly needs in my time of tribulation? No, they miss the mark of gaining a closer spiritual relationship for their eyes deceive them. A nd instead of looking inward to the HolySpirit they look at the roserybeads in their hand for answers. And alas God is not there. So they through the beads on the ground and stomp around pointing everywhere God is not.
Brothers, don't look for God in the materials of this world, focus on your heart : )
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Jun 22, 2015 - 11:34am PT
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Props to Nikki Haley.
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dave729
Trad climber
Western America
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Jun 22, 2015 - 11:35am PT
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"By their misdeeds you shall know them."
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Jun 22, 2015 - 11:55am PT
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Why is it that "GOD" cares more about AMERICANS than all others???...
This is your opinion.
God cares for everyone equally. The closer we become to Jesus the more He is apt to call us His Brother. The USA was found on the firm doctrine that ALL men are created equal. Where else do you see THAT flag waving in the world? The US has been blessed by God because we have trampled down the inequalities that have plagued mankind. If we do not continue in this respect God will turn His back to us..
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Jun 22, 2015 - 12:03pm PT
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I agree with Dave, the media contribute to the problem.
Their's is only possible by being paid by the secular human animal who has the appetite for blood. If you didn't give'em money, they'de go away.
Take off your material glasses and look for the spiritual meaning..
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Jun 22, 2015 - 12:09pm PT
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That was just talk
First it was an idea. Then talk. And talk motivates the spirit to move the body.
We are on stage for the world to watch. It's VERY exciting times :D
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Jun 22, 2015 - 12:16pm PT
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it's about sales.
Ya got that right. And who is it that can afford these $900. pistols and $2000. rifles? It ain't the thugs in the streets. Stop buying them, they'll stop making them
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Norton
Social climber
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Jun 22, 2015 - 12:24pm PT
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The USA was found on the firm doctrine that ALL men are created equal.
not true
that language was put in our Constitution to protect WHITE MEN
blacks were slaves back then, hardly "equal"
and women were so "equal" they were not even allowed to vote
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Jun 22, 2015 - 12:34pm PT
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Because the NRA works hard to ensure that they are not enforced. Their lobby is focused on cutting the budget of enforcement agencies or otherwise creating roadblocks to effectiveness of current laws.
Dave I just spent some time looking through available databases, press, Required Lobby Reporting, and so forth on the NRA. I see lots of things I disagree with, a few I agree with, but nothing about lower law enforcement budgets or weakening enforcement of current law. Their lobby is focused on fighting the enactment of a number of new laws.
Examples? They have been known to try to get laws repealed, but to undermine the enforcement of existing law?
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Jun 22, 2015 - 12:47pm PT
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Norton, There you go again. Pointing where God is not.
That doctrine WAS put in place coming from the idea. Without regard to what the human bodies were doing at the time. And once in place didnt infact open the doors of conversation to motivate the freeing of slaves and equal societal rights for women?
And the idea continues to open doors of conversation till this day. What impedes our movement are the distributors of lies.
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Norton
Social climber
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Jun 22, 2015 - 01:03pm PT
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And once in place didnt infact open the doors of conversation to motivate the freeing of slaves and equal societal rights for women?
absolutely not, blu
the black slaves were not "freed" by anything to do with the constitution, written by
men who owned their own slaves
it took a civil war and hundreds of thousands of dead soldiers just to free the slaves
even the Scott Decision years later still regarded blacks as 3/5 of a white man to vote
and women did not get the right to vote for over 100 years later
and both of those "equalizing" moves were not by constitutional amendent
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Norton
Social climber
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Jun 22, 2015 - 01:04pm PT
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Do you think our founders could have snapped their fingers and turned it all around in a minute?
of course not, why would even think that ?
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