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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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May 11, 2015 - 06:25am PT
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Pinkpoint
Redpoint
Dry tooling
Trad
Sport......
Remember when
We just called it.....
Climbing.
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patrick compton
Trad climber
van
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May 11, 2015 - 07:20am PT
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what if the route has carabiners on the anchor?
is this a pinkpoint too?
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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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May 11, 2015 - 08:00am PT
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Jim- Roger that. Back in the day we just climbed and did not classify it.
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skitch
Gym climber
Bend Or
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May 11, 2015 - 08:08am PT
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I'm thinking that Jim defines the difference between talking about climbing and climbing.
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patrick compton
Trad climber
van
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May 11, 2015 - 08:11am PT
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drytooling + pinkpointing = way ghey!
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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May 11, 2015 - 08:14am PT
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But instead, you proposed bringing back a definition that had died decades ago among sport climbers and then reapplying it to high end routes, thus implying that, somehow, these ascents fell short.
Yes. OP is a clever troll, clueless and/or trying to be fuking annoying in an effort to replace attention lost as the selfie thread faded away - hard to tell.
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skitch
Gym climber
Bend Or
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May 11, 2015 - 08:49am PT
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so if you purposefully misspell gay it isn't homophobic??? huh??
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anita514
Gym climber
Great White North
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May 11, 2015 - 08:59am PT
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White People Problems
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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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May 11, 2015 - 09:00am PT
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Really?
We didn't classify climbing into different types back then?
I suggest you both re-read "Games Climbers Play."
It was aid or free.
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Topic Author's Reply - May 11, 2015 - 09:06am PT
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If you had started this thread saying something like: "I'm a crappy sport climber, but I don't care and I really enjoy climbing a sport route more, when I climb it my first try, putting in the draws ... (etc.)" then the whole discussion would have taken a different turn.
I'll admit that the op was a strongly worded opinion. It has to be around here, however or things just fade into obscurity and all this entertaining banter would have never happened.
thus implying that, somehow, these ascents fell short.
Where did I say that these ascents fell short? I simply stated that some of them might be better classified by using a more accurate term.
High end ascents are indeed impressive and I mean no disrespect these climbers. I wish I could climb that hard.
If I did climb that hard, I would still use the correct terminology.
Grade does not change the definition of a word. Do you not agree that Kurt Albert, the inventor of the term redpoint had the same ideals as modern sport day climbers? To climb free. Did he preplace his gear? I highly doubt it.
Redefining the meaning of redpoint in sport climbing is something people do not words people say.
I disagree that the meaning should or has been redefined. It's simply been mis-used.
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Alpamayo
Trad climber
Davis, CA
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May 11, 2015 - 09:12am PT
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Then I'd say that you are at a philosophical impasse with the majority of modern sport climbers and that the discussion has no point in continuing.
I sent a sport climb first try this weekend after my partner went up and hung the draws...did I flash it?
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Norwegian
Trad climber
dancin on the tip of god's middle finger
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May 11, 2015 - 09:16am PT
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all this talk
of hung
and pink got me
acting and on the
way home i succumbed to my two lady neighbors.
first if ucked the witch.
i always wanted to be a potion.
then after that the christian
got my remainder.
and to be honest,
the Christian girl
is ohhh so hot and desirable;
and the witch, ain't.
though the witch is sweet
and amiable, she ain't
no brown-eyed christian.
she wears only black.
the only reason that i stopped
and f ucked her first was
due to her position in the universe
relative to mine.
i passed her place, first.
then, after vows and unspeakables,
i ventured on, towards my destiny
and then i passed the Christian's house
and thunk, did i: "i am on a roll."
so i stoppe and gaver leftovers.
for which I'm sure she is grateful
because she can't get beautifully pregnant
with me
it would cause both of us
severe situational hardship.
it don't hurt to shop.
and spend.
on credit.
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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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May 11, 2015 - 09:22am PT
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I suggest you look again.
Go back and look. What is your reference point? If we yarded on a sling it was aid.
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Topic Author's Reply - May 11, 2015 - 09:29am PT
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Then I'd say that you are at a philosophical impasse with the majority of modern sport climbers and that the discussion has no point in continuing.
You are probably correct.
I sent a sport climb first try this weekend after my partner went up and hung the draws...did I flash it?
I don't know, how would you classify it? Did you watch him climb it?
Lol Weege.
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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May 11, 2015 - 10:16am PT
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If avocados can be hand grown now. I don't see why a climb can't be redpointed with the draws in place.
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skitch
Gym climber
Bend Or
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May 11, 2015 - 11:54am PT
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I am still curious to know why a boulderer like "big" mike cares about redpoint vs pinkpoint???
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Topic Author's Reply - May 11, 2015 - 11:56am PT
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LOL!
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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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May 11, 2015 - 12:16pm PT
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Big Mike looks pretty in pink. Or so I've heard.
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