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Trashman
Trad climber
SLC
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Apr 30, 2015 - 07:22pm PT
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Too many replies to edit the above w out screwing up context, but there is an important typo in my earlier post.
A new person can dispense funds as they see fit, and withhold as well, just a pattern I've observed many times over the years, funny to see its still in play.
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Any person can dispense funds as they see fit, and withhold as well, just a pattern I've observed many times over the years, funny to see its still in play.
I was asserting his right to do as he sees fit, with a snide comment about past forum disagreements. Not claiming to be able to match Tokervillian's Contributions to the climbing world, monetary or otherwise.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that the light at the end of the tunnel or a tr
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Apr 30, 2015 - 07:40pm PT
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Freezing Forum Topics That Degenerate into Personal Attacks
Something must be wrong with the icemaker.
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Apr 30, 2015 - 07:42pm PT
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I think we've discussed this ad nauseum.
Maybe we can agree to disagree??
Or does Cmac have to come take your toys away again???
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Apr 30, 2015 - 08:21pm PT
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We've watched so many forums slip under the waves in recent years.... Gunks.com... Neice.com... rockclimbing.com... etc...
I'm not sure exactly what triggers the rapid decline but I'd have to guess it's related to what we're seeing here at supertopo.
I can't blame Cmac.... a few nutcases, apparently without jobs, can really ruin a site which leads to over-moderation and then the people who really can have a cogent discussion simply click on different links. Poof!
It's interesting watching the decay.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Trad climber
Will know soon
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Apr 30, 2015 - 08:36pm PT
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Yeah, it's like a caustic mix of a few that throw the toxicity out there that negatively affects the Forum and its posters.
If you disagree, hey, just say I disagree and let the folk know why. You can be "colorful" just not nasty. Jess throwin' it out there. lynnie
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Apr 30, 2015 - 09:29pm PT
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The gun thread part 2 was destined to aggravate and be dropped accordingly by design. That Phil decided to ride his hard on into the fray, then have it dinged down with a soup spoon by those nursing other opinions, equals a proper discussion.
I agree that what Phil did was wrong. I always welcome discussion, but when it turns to bickering, it seems rather pointless to continue down that path. Especially when cmac has specifically stated that such behaviour is what he is trying to avoid.
Jim - in case you missed this on the philo thread.
Apr 30, 2015 - 01:24pm PT
Phil- While I like and respect you, I find what you did yesterday, akin to walking into a biker bar and yelling, "Motorbikes are lame!". A valid opinion to be sure, but one meant to illicit a negative response.
Why not post your thoughts, maybe even tell your story so that those of us who haven't heard it before can empathize better with your position and move on to the more important topics you came back for? Instead of bumping a thread you don't like, bump the ones you do!
It would seem that Chris has no problem with discussing any topic here, as long as it doesn't disolve into bickering. Instead of antagonizing others about a particular topic of discussion, why not start your own topic, which is more suited to the discussion you wish to have?
Past experiences have obviously tainted your interactions with some people here. While I completly understand that, it is up to the better man to decide when to bury the hatchet.
You obviously feel Ron isn't worth your time. Why engage him then?
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philo
Trad climber
Is that the light at the end of the tunnel or a tr
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Apr 30, 2015 - 10:22pm PT
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Dis agree or Dat agree?
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WBraun
climber
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Apr 30, 2015 - 10:24pm PT
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Philo
Maybe just call it day, huh.
Holy fuking sh!t, over a 120 posts.
Do you really think you know WTF you're doing?
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philo
Trad climber
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Apr 30, 2015 - 11:34pm PT
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Actually Werner believe it or not I do know exactly what I'm doing. Presenting information on things I find important That and for what ever reason you care to imagine I find that getting the exercise in verbal succinctness and manual dexterity I experience here helpful when I need to write for real and have a publisher explaining to me the meaning of the term deadline.
I should thank everyone for sparking my intellectual word play and physical connection to the keyboard. They'd prolly just pooh on the thank you. But it really does help stir the free flow style I write in. Is that passive aggressive or passive creative or aggressive creative?
What are you doing?
Man I gotta tell you my WPM have doubled since a day ago. Thanks everyone.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Apr 30, 2015 - 11:43pm PT
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hey there say, ... oh my, i was away from the ol' taco, cleaning the yard, in the warm spring sun (wow, it finally SHINED OR SHONE/SHOWN here, today) ... and was spring-undusting-the-house, last night, just before i DID the yard, today, and:
hmm, there MUST have been an earthquake here at the ol' taco...
as there are many 'aftershocks' all about...
oh my... hope things are settling good now...
and that folks are safe, :)
and as to this, tami quote:
Disagreeable disagreements are disagreeable to those who disagree. In disagreeing, it's disagreeably disagreeable when disagreeing with those who disagree.
wow, tami, :D ... i love the word-play, as to making sentences this way...
:)
very good clever fun stuff, and yet, simple and to the point, in a
good way...
i JUST sent an email out that was a 'many M' sentence...
making many-and-much mish-mash of words, for a fine sentence OF 'M' fun...
thanks for sharing, also, to lynnie...
:)
PS:
don't know what started the earthquake, but i send well wishes to
all concerned... :)
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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To me, it is sad what is recently happening here. I have benefited a lot from lurking many threads and engaging in discussion on some others. My own perspectives have been changed and nuanced by the cogent contributions of a few, and I hope that I have had at least some small similar effect on a few.
But when an entire thread can be so quickly destroyed by the wanton and intentionally "provocative" behavior of a tiny subset of our community, this present "moderation" approach really has then granted inordinate power into the hands of that subset.
For my part, I am confident that in the future I will invest very little time into crafting thoughtful contributions (it really is time-consuming to make efforts to genuinely contribute instead of engaging in "drive-by shootings"). Others that feel as I do about discussion and thoughtful contributions to the same will likely also cease to contribute or will radically reduce the effort they exert.
But that just means that the content of the "discussions" will become even more shallow and "drive-by" than it often already is. Being "flip" and "clever" quickly gets old, both for the "contributor" and for the reader.
Being "civil" is a necessary but not sufficient condition to a meaningful and worthwhile discussion on a contentious topic. Contributions are usually best when people feel that the environment itself is "stable" enough that their efforts are meaningful.
I would definitely prefer to see "moderation" amount to one or at most two warnings and then banning offenders. Sure, it's whack-a-mole. Sure, it's time-consuming. But so is the present approach. At least the former approach takes power away from the offenders rather than granting it solely to them!
And either the present approach carefully contemplates when "the line has been crossed," or it smacks of arbitrariness. Of course, the same can be said of the banning approach.
Or maybe CMac just wants the whole thing to morph into a truly, strictly "climbing related" site. If so, the "forums" will quickly go the way of rockclimbing.com. That's less traffic. That's less advertising. That's less of everything worthwhile about the forums.
I hope that this forum can be maintained in a condition that it is "stable" and truly worth engaging with. It's no "virtual campfire," but it's pretty good in its own right.
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Flip Flop
climber
salad bowl, california
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It's not how I want it.
It's how HE wants it.
And how he's going to get it.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Your mom gets it.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Hahahahahaa!!
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Which Philo thread is the one with the new gun discussion on it?
I got a question for Ron about fading eyesight making it tough to focus on the front sight while shooting pistols. I want to find out what folks are using to compensate, and I don't have all night to sort through the pile of similar threads.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Reading glasses work to read. But now, the sight at the end of a handgun isn't quite far enough away from my face to focus on anymore.
I can read the fine print on the target itself - ten meters away - but I can't get a sharp look at the front blade.
I don't think a dot-sight would work, because that's even closer to my face. Besides, it's just one more thing to break or go out of adjustment.
A longer barrel is only going to work for a limited time, or I'd simply switch to that.
What do far-sighted folks use to see their sights? Squint? Bifocals?
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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if you can't see to shoot you should retire the shootin' arms...
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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May 19, 2015 - 01:38pm PT
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Another one bites the dust.
Well, that sucks. There was actually some good being done in that thread. Too bad a couple of the Ron-haters couldn't stop themselves from being uncivil.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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May 19, 2015 - 02:17pm PT
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Huh!
You guys sound like the Talhiban telling the cartoonist to shut up or else. Lmao
There's learning to do in every thread.
This one was how to spell; H-y-p-p-o-c-r-a-t
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