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crankster
Trad climber
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Jan 11, 2015 - 02:20pm PT
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Yeah, martini, your party kept us safe from terrorist attacks...oh, except 9/11.
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rmuir
Social climber
From the Time Before the Rocks Cooled.
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Jan 11, 2015 - 02:22pm PT
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They consider their cultures sacred - beyond criticism. Hallowed ground.
Not unlike some Republicans I've met…
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Jan 11, 2015 - 02:39pm PT
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Fine post, Bruce. Right on the money.
Good news... cultural evolution - whether it's regarding Islam or the international community in general - has never been more robust.
Exciting times!
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Jan 11, 2015 - 02:43pm PT
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Do you really want to know what sharia law is?
Here it is in all 1251 pages.
http://www.islamicbulletin.org/free_downloads/resources/reliance2_complete.pdf
Page 93 is a hoot with three pages on how to take a dump.
Page 975 No art
Page 617 gives the definition of Jihad and it ain't no personal quest for spiritual knowledge.
Page 625 your rights as a Dehimi
Page 656 "the obligatory character of the Caliphate"
The most interesting part is that only about 50 pages of the entire text appear to be remotely possible to consider as a theological exegesis of a persons relationship to his god.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Jan 11, 2015 - 02:55pm PT
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it will be a boon for the plumbing market since everything will need to be redesigned to flush rocks.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
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Jan 11, 2015 - 02:58pm PT
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Charlie ridiculed my faith and culture and I died defending his right to do so. #Je suis Ahmed."
You really have to wonder at the certainty of some cultures that their culture is pure and beyond reproach.
I really can't see how you interpret the "Je suis Ahmed" statement as saying that some cultures are pure and beyond reproach???
Some people would put this in the category of speaking truth to power. Would you say such a thing to a Black American Christian who said the same thing about a Black policeman killed by a Black gangster in an American ghetto during a riot over a white politician's racist remarks?
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Jan 11, 2015 - 03:11pm PT
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"I really can't see how you interpret the "Je suis Ahmed" statement as saying..."
He's not interpreting that line in that manner, silly. You do this all this time. lol
Or, even if he did somehow tap off it, say because he did not see /know the line in context (it's everywhere in the cartoons today) his post stands by itself independent of the line.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
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Jan 11, 2015 - 03:24pm PT
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his post stands by itself independent of the line.
Agreed. Just please leave me, my post and the death of policeman Ahmed out of it.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Jan 11, 2015 - 03:26pm PT
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Oh, and there's this too. Regarding Jan's post and comparison. One concerns race, the other concerns a system of bad ideas. Big difference.
Please, Jan, show us you have an "inner innovationist" somewhere in your bones that is sympathetic to Abrahamic belief reform. Esp regarding fundamentalist Islam's need to evolve, upgrade. Even if it's only the malleus, staples and incus, lol!
One has to appreciate the tragic irony inherent in... the death of policeman Ahmed... and the line that was quoted... Best done in cartoon form, imo.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
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Jan 11, 2015 - 03:35pm PT
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Muslims in France occupy the same position as Black people in America. When they feel their culture or religion is denigrated, there's more to it than religion and a system of bad ideas. The problems in northern Ireland were also a combination of power politics and religion, yet our press always prefers to frame thing in terms of religion.
Even the French are questioning what can be done about unemployed and discriminated against young Muslims in France in order to prevent them turning to Islamic extremism as a way to give meaning to their lives.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
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Jan 11, 2015 - 03:37pm PT
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millions rallied in Paris but I don't see thousands of signs calling for the bombing of "Al Qaeda in Yemen"
Hopefully they will respond in a more mature way to their tragedy than we did to 9/11.
Of course, Frenchmen know they have a lot of blood on their hands from their days of colonialism in North Africa and the Middle East. Those Muslims are in France as a result of that legacy.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Jan 11, 2015 - 03:39pm PT
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yet our press always prefers to frame thing in terms of religion...Jan
lol!
Maybe watch a channel besides FAUX News then if this is truly your perception.
And of course there isn't just one factor (religion) in the mix that determines this jihadi conduct. Their maleness is another. Their lack of edu (incl science edu) is another. But their jihadi ideology rooted in a primitive theism is a major control point in any problem solving playbook.
Not that you asked but my beta would be: Stop reading so much Karen Armstrong. She's perverted. lol
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Jan
Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
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Jan 11, 2015 - 03:40pm PT
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Yes, I felt we were under represented there. Perhaps a security concern. Or perhaps we were told that it needed to be a European response that would be different than ours was to terrorism.
As for reform of Islam, of course I think they need that, but that is for Muslims to do, not outsiders. Already there are signs that this is happening and if any good can come out of this incident, it might be as the stimulus that really set the idea in motion.
I never watch Fox News by the way. I don't even have a television.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Jan 11, 2015 - 03:42pm PT
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of course I think they need that
A rare as hen's teeth admission.
Of course much easier now to ack post 7 Jan 2015 than Jan 2010. Eh?
Wonder how the apologist Karen Armstrong's been explaining things this week? ;)
"that is for Muslims to do, not outsiders."
It's for everybody to do - everybody with interests at stake, actually. Best is multi-strategy approach. That means, well, multi-strategy.
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John M
climber
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Jan 11, 2015 - 03:44pm PT
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A rare as hen's teeth admission.
only to your blocked up ears..
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Jan 11, 2015 - 03:47pm PT
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Nearly 400 posts, and no defense of his position by the OP.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Jan 11, 2015 - 03:47pm PT
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only to your blocked up ears.. -JMoosie
Another disrupter is back, I see. JB's sidekick.
Yeah, right though, my cue to exit. Bye now.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Jan 11, 2015 - 03:51pm PT
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and here's one for you KenM...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ali-a-rizvi/how-terrorism-won_b_6440982.html
Maybe less CNN?
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It's more than "sacred stuff" Bruce, imo. To them, these militant Islamists, it's truth. Allah's truth. God Jehovah's truth. For hundreds to thousands of years they were taught that the truth-claims in the Koran were abs truth re how the world works (incl how things work, how life works). Of course the tragedy is they don't have the education (a large part of that, science edu, of course) to see through this bs.
So in their lives and culture (or subculture) the bronze age myth of the Koran and Hadith and Sharia, barbaric as it is, rules; it wins by default.
The reams and reams of historical bullshit need replacing with reams and reams of modern understanding. Obviously this takes time.
But times ARE changing with every day now. Esp the more we have incidents such as these (7jan15) in this age of global social media. Times won't ever be the same, we're all connected now, for better and worse.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aalO6DYX3Gg
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KenM, if you're a Reza Aslan fan, then no wonder we're at odds. Please reseach this man's (charlatan's) history.
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