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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jan 24, 2014 - 09:34pm PT
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More like under 50 yards, and hi-cap low recoil means the potential to engage multiple targets at speed.
With +P+ ammo I get .357 type velocities, so it is no longer such an anemic caliber.
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thebravecowboy
Social climber
Colorado Plateau
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Jan 24, 2014 - 11:40pm PT
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Mao say: Freedom comes from the barrel of a gun
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bigbird
climber
WA
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Jan 25, 2014 - 07:11am PT
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Man... this thread needs more "pazazz"...
Hows this... Not so much a firearm, as art...
Szecsei & Fuchs "double bolt repeater"....
All credit http://fuchsfineguns.com/index.php/fine-guns/
Johann Fanzoj triple barrel shotgun...
All credit to http://www.fanzoj.com/
Price= if you are asking you cannot afford it...
My guess 40k for the Fuch's before you start engraving...
Looking around the net a similar Fanzoj triple shotgun was going for 73K...
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jan 25, 2014 - 10:14am PT
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Some drillings are truly works of art.
The most valuable firearms in the world are on display at the Metropolitan Museum in NYC. They were presented to Catherine The Great by a Polish prince.
Literally priceless, they were donated after being bought nearly a century ago for a reputed $5M.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Jan 25, 2014 - 10:28am PT
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What the hell is Blue talking about with alternating rounds? You can load any sequence of rounds that fit the chamber.
It's marketed that way. One long .45, followed by a .410 round. Repeat.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jan 25, 2014 - 11:06am PT
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Except it is a 5 shot, so which is the "dominant" round?
Sheesh, you should aim before you fire.
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d-know
Trad climber
electric lady land
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Jan 25, 2014 - 11:21am PT
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The governor also shoots.45acp with the moon clips.
Anybody else shoot clay? I started shooting 5 stand and
It's too much fun trying to keep up with the boys and
their semi-autos and fancy over/unders with my 12g pump
gun.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Jan 25, 2014 - 12:28pm PT
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Shot gunning as ALL about THE gun that fits you.
Too true!
Back when Sporting Clays got started I'd shoot several times a week. Usually International Skeet during the week and a few rounds of sporting clays on the weekend.
A first generation Browning GTI 28" stack barrel.
After a year or so I had it fitted and it cost more than the gun. (at the time $750 for a fitting)
The process involved an entire morning on a clays course with the fitter/gunsmith with a Try Gun that adjusted six ways to Sunday. Everything was shot from an unmounted stock position and he'd stand behind me, watch the pattern and make small adjustments between targets till I was consistently getting a good gun mount and centered patterns.
He then took my gun and his try gun back to his shop where he had a gig fixture with a tank of 300 deg. heated linseed oil to soften the wood an a clamping arrangement to twist and bend the stock to match the settings on his try gun. The stock was left clamped in that position for a week to set.
I ended up with a perfectly fitting piece that points like an extension of my eye and arm, but if someone else shoulders it it feels wrong and they usually can't identify why.
I'm a southpaw so it has cast on instead of cast off, the cheekpiece is twisted to fit my face, and the butt twisted to fit the shoulder pocket. It's subtle. Visually it's no different than stock.
There was a battle at the time between competing groups over who would set the rules for the sport and the big money group won out after a couple of years and pussified the rules. About that time I got back into climbing and lost interest.
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steveA
Trad climber
Wolfeboro, NH
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Jan 25, 2014 - 12:38pm PT
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Toker Villain,
I was blown away when I visited the Met. in NYC and saw their arms collection. It must be the best in the world; as you said in your post.
Bigbird;
That is beautiful!
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jan 25, 2014 - 03:28pm PT
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Steve, I visit pretty regularly. My mom was a guide there, died there, and we buried her ashes nearby.
But I visit more than just their arms and armor section.
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steve shea
climber
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Jan 25, 2014 - 05:12pm PT
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The Buffalo Bill Historical Center in Cody, WY has quite a gun collection. Wild west stuff.
The only gun I have is an antique 20G Parker Bros. Side by side. It's hanging over the fireplace.
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aspendougy
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Jan 27, 2014 - 04:47pm PT
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There was an article on the net today, saying that each day, an average of 20 children are injured in accidents with firearms. I am not opposed to anyone's right to own them, but those who are parents, they need to be very cautious.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Jan 27, 2014 - 05:31pm PT
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A serious question. I heard that it is possible for ammo to get a micro stamp upon firing that links it to the gun used more accurately and more quickly than traditional rifling patterns.
Police forces appear to be in favor of legislating that as a reasonable gun law. But gun manufacturers, in particular $mith & We$$on, and the NRA oppose the move.
What do you think about the idea of micro stamping bullets?
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the albatross
Gym climber
Flagstaff
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Jan 27, 2014 - 07:01pm PT
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philo I am not familiar with this technology. A link would be helpful. I know you are anti-firearm, but please consider the following:
As you probably know, sportspersons (men and women who hunt and fish / target shoot) already pay considerable taxes every time they purchase a fishing lure or license, boat, boat motor, firearm, bow, ammunition, etc. These heavy taxes have been used to protect and preserve countless fish and game species, improve habitat, hunter and boater education, shooting safety classes, etc. As a result our country may well have one of the best managed fish and game populations in the world.
In other words, next time you're gazing out at a herd of Buffalo or Bighorn Sheep or see a Bear or Mountain Lion in the wild, you can thank sportsmen who have been so supportive of these wonderful creatures.
If the microchip could somehow prevent a psychopath from taking a shotgun into a school and shooting others it is a grand idea. I'd like to see some evidence of this possibility.
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the albatross
Gym climber
Flagstaff
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Jan 27, 2014 - 07:12pm PT
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One quick source I googled to show how our excise taxes are used for conservation:
https://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R42992.pdf
"As a result of the recent debate over guns, gun rights, and gun-related violence, there has been a marked increase in sales of many weapons as well as ammunition. Through an excise tax on firearms and ammunition, such sales have a marked beneficial effect on funding for state wildlife programs through the Wildlife Restoration Program (also known as Pittman-Robertson or P-R)."
You can go to any state game and fish website to see more facts in regards to these taxes...
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A5scott
Trad climber
Chicago
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Jan 27, 2014 - 08:04pm PT
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I believe that micro stamping is where the firing pin has a special code engraved in the tip, which leaves a unique impression in a spent primer of centerfire ammo. Any semi auto pistol that isn't already on CA's approved list is required to be sold with micro stamping firing pins. this could be a way to find evidence against criminals, assuming they don't file off the micro stamp or swap firing pins with an unstamped firing pin, or simply police their brass.
each time a firearm manufacturer updates a model with new features or improvements, would require that manufacturer to fit the updated firearm with micro stamping firing pins. Smith&Wesson, as well as ruger decided not to comply, and may stop sales of semi auto pistols. They may even go as far as to terminate service contracts to law enforcement and other CA state employees... which means they will have to find other vendors for parts. Ronnie Barrett wrote a letter to Cali saying that he basically won't sell to CA state employees or service their firearms after CA banned Barrett 50 cal rifles.
Seems like another way to micro manage the average lawful citizen, while criminals and gangs continue with business as usual
scott
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the albatross
Gym climber
Flagstaff
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Jan 27, 2014 - 08:12pm PT
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Thanks guys that was my initial impression from philos' brief post.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jan 27, 2014 - 09:47pm PT
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One can defeat any firing pin based micro stamping scheme by simply shooting - and not cleaning the gun. Eventually - and it shouldn't take long - the numbers and letters will be fouled beyond use by normal gun filth, or battered into illegibility. The more "micro" the stamp, the faster this will happen.
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