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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jun 20, 2014 - 10:57am PT
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Little Z, I'm buying my ticket to come down for the Partay! Woo Hoo!
Suisse/France should be good. Given the makeup of Les Bleus I think they
should change their name to Les Banlieues, n'est ce pas?
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little Z
Trad climber
un cafetal en Naranjo
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Jun 20, 2014 - 11:06am PT
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I wish I actually knew something about the game. Sure looked like Costa Rica deserved to win. Bueno, que sigue la locura!
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stevep
Boulder climber
Salt Lake, UT
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Jun 20, 2014 - 11:10am PT
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The one on the goalie was a judgment call. I don't think it was particularly reckless. As you say, it was studs up. Sometimes those are called sometimes not.
Not sure what you're on about with the other one. It wasn't even called a foul. The Uruguyan player slid in front of the English player as the English player cut back with the ball. The knee did hit the head, but it was completely inadvertent. Yes it resulted in a knockout, but that doesn't somehow make it a foul. The problem with that one was that the ref and FIFA doc should not have allowed that player to continue after losing consciousness.
Big congrats to Costa Rica. Anyone who bet that Costa Rica would be through and England and Spain would be out after two games could have gotten astronomical odds on that.
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Oregon
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Jun 20, 2014 - 11:20am PT
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Does that mean those "Pretentious Pricks" go home?
You mean England? ;) yeah. They are done with this result.
Italy still has a very slim chance, I think.
I wonder what Giusseppe Rossi thinks about his choice to play for Italy. He doesn't make the team for two cycles and they bomb out anyway both times.
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Oregon
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Jun 20, 2014 - 11:24am PT
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Not sure what you're on about with the other one. It wasn't even called a foul.
That's what I'm on about. He fouled the guy, was late to the ball, and knocked him out in the aftermath. Clear send off. Not great evidence for the ref favoring Uruguay.
And if the Welbeck call is sometimes a send off and sometimes not, Ian Dark should have mentioned that fact, not carp for an hour about another call.
He might have said how lucky Welbeck was not to get canned.
The original assertion here was that the Spanish ref favored Uruguay.
Total bullsh#t.
I'm on more about the assertion the somehow England got shafted in some sort of Latin conspiracy. England just isn't good. This isn't the heyday of their side. The FA needs to address why England isn't producing players anymore.
They can start with how the premier league isn't helping English players.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jun 20, 2014 - 11:32am PT
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Lorenzo, when Welbeck went for the ball it was not in Muslera's hands. It
is not reckless to try and score a goal in the World Cup. Purposely swinging
your forearm into your opponents throat is far more egregious. But Uruguay
made the most of their chances and that's what counts.
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Oregon
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Jun 20, 2014 - 11:48am PT
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Lorenzo, when Welbeck went for the ball it was not in Muslera's hands. It
is not reckless to try and score a goal in the World Cup. Purposely swinging
your forearm into your opponents throat is far more egregious. But Uruguay
made the most of their chances and that's what counts.
He went is straight leg and studs up. Never ok. Period.
In South America that's called la plancha ( the steam iron) and that's what it feels like. Try that in a league down there and you'll be in a brawl.
A few years ago the Italian Supreme Court ruled it outside the realm of Sport and held a player criminally liable for breaking a jaw.
Not any more respectful of the opponent that the foul you want to keep bringing up.
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stevep
Boulder climber
Salt Lake, UT
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Jun 20, 2014 - 11:50am PT
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That's what I'm on about. He fouled the guy, was late to the ball, and knocked him out in the aftermath. Clear send off. Not great evidence for the ref favoring Uruguay.
Lorenzo, I agree with you on the ref.
But you must have been watching a different play above. Sterling had the ball, went by one guy in the corner and was cutting back inside. The Uruguay player went sliding in, nearly tripped Sterling, and got conked in the head as Sterling went by. Never going to be a foul on Sterling.
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Oregon
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Jun 20, 2014 - 12:27pm PT
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Here's the real story on Uruguay v England.
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stevep
Boulder climber
Salt Lake, UT
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Jun 20, 2014 - 12:47pm PT
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Will be interesting to see if France is actually as good as they are appearing right now, or if it is just that they are in a weak group.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Jun 20, 2014 - 12:48pm PT
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I predict the Spurs in 5.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Jun 20, 2014 - 01:19pm PT
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. . .
Italy still has a very slim chance, I think.
I wonder what Giusseppe Rossi thinks about his choice to play for Italy. He doesn't make the team for two cycles and they bomb out anyway both times.
The above poster is confused.
It's Italy v. Uruguay next game, winner moves on, loser goes home with England, and if it's a tie, Italy moves on b/c it has a better goal differential.
In light of the large number of ties, Italy still has excellent prospects.
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stevep
Boulder climber
Salt Lake, UT
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Jun 20, 2014 - 01:35pm PT
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France may actually be better without Ribery. Less focus on playing through him and more open.
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Oregon
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Jun 20, 2014 - 02:05pm PT
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I predict the Spurs in 5.
Sure you did...
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Oregon
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Jun 20, 2014 - 02:20pm PT
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It's Italy v. Uruguay next game, winner moves on, loser goes home with England, and if it's a tie, Italy moves on b/c it has a better goal differential.
The match between them will probably decide, but they are currently tied in the first tiebreaker ( goal differential) at three.
The second tiebreaker is goals scored. Uruguay leads with Three goals to two.
Italy has to win. Uruguay has to tie or win.
From the organizing rules:
5. The ranking of each team in each group shall be determined as follows: a) greatest number of points obtained in all group matches;
b) goal difference in all group matches;
c) greatest number of goals scored in all group matches.
If two or more teams are equal on the basis of the above three criteria, their rankings shall be determined as follows:
d) greatest number of points obtained in the group matches between the teams concerned;
e) goal difference resulting from the group matches between the teams concerned;
f) greater number of goals scored in all group matches between the teams concerned;
g) drawing of lots by the FIFA Organising Committee.
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stevep
Boulder climber
Salt Lake, UT
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Jun 20, 2014 - 02:26pm PT
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Italy goal differential is 0. Uruguay is -1.
Italy goes thru on tie.
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Oregon
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Jun 20, 2014 - 02:30pm PT
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Achh. Yup. I got the columns mixed scrolling on my phone.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Jun 20, 2014 - 03:13pm PT
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I predict the Spurs in 5.
Sure you did...
I never said I did, I just said I was predicting it now.
I can see backwards really well. :o)
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Festus
Social climber
Enron by the Sea
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Jun 20, 2014 - 03:22pm PT
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Achh. Yup. I got the columns mixed scrolling on my phone.
I must be getting columns mixed up while scrolling as well, because on my phone it shows four Concacaf teams headed for the knock-out rounds if Honduras wins today.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Jun 20, 2014 - 03:32pm PT
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I must be getting columns mixed up while scrolling as well, because on my phone it shows four Concacaf teams headed for the knock-out rounds if Honduras wins today.
Hmmm, I should probably shut up as I don't much about this and was basically parroting what I read in the news (although it did seem eminently logical).
I'm sure we all hope there is actually a winner between Italy and Uruguay instead of using some BS goal differential.
Sure seems like it would be a lot more exciting if they went to overtime, with or without sudden death, and/or even used the ol' shootout, rather than deciding by goal differential and then other statistics.
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