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Curt
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Gold Canyon, AZ
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Nov 18, 2013 - 12:26pm PT
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Cuba is a very small "country". They no doubt have a quite lower birth rate than any state here eh.? So i would expect the infant mortality rate lower on those stats alone.
Never mind, of course, that infant motality rate is a percentage--i.e., already normalized for population.
Curt
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Curt
climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
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Nov 18, 2013 - 12:37pm PT
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Worth repeating...
"that infant motality rate is a percentage"...
I'm afraid he doesn't understand the simple implication of that fact.
Curt
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Nov 18, 2013 - 12:39pm PT
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And putting the Federal Government in control of more medical issues will somehow fix this?
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Nov 18, 2013 - 12:47pm PT
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Haven't you been paying attention to the news over the last couple months, Dr F?
The Federal Government can't even run parks and golf courses reliably. And you think they can do brain surgery.
Are you sure you're a doctor?
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Nov 18, 2013 - 01:39pm PT
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the distinction is becoming increasingly blurred.
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Curt
climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
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Nov 18, 2013 - 02:18pm PT
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I think that's a perfectly legitimate question.
Curt
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Nov 18, 2013 - 02:32pm PT
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large hippie gathering at donini's pad! they are prepping the kool aid
for the drum circle of a lifetime..
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Nov 18, 2013 - 02:36pm PT
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That migth be a reasonable thought except that in most 1st world countries this conversation would be met with one simple comment.
Of course Donini is right. Thats how everyone does it.
Cept for stupid Americans.
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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Nov 18, 2013 - 03:01pm PT
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^^^^^^ From wackypedia
"Infant mortality rate (IMR) is the number of deaths of children less than one year of age per 1000 live births. The rate for a given region is the number of children dying under one year of age, divided by the number of live births during the year, multiplied by 1,000."
It does no good to compare IMR between countries if the values are NOT independent of population. So, I'm agreeing with Locker.
I've got to tell you, the OP's original question is a valid one to ask. It's also super complicated. However, you could just ask do you want this nation to be one that looks after its people, or throw them under the bus if they don't have enough money. Deep down I feel we should look after our people. But when I go to CostCo and see the huge slices of humanity wandering around there, I know the answer is at least partly education and not all health care. Nearly half of our national health problems are caused by poor eating habits. It's like smoking tobacco. If you want to smoke that's fine with me. But don't expect me to be happy picking up the tab for your lung cancer. You don't go out and think "I've got a beacon so I can do whatever I want in the backcountry and someone will come out and save my ass". I feel the same way about people eating themselves to death while pumping drugs to keep them alive.
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Curt
climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
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Nov 18, 2013 - 03:20pm PT
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Was not refrecing to the percentages. WAS pointing out with such a small population it is EASIER to obtain better percentages...
You weren't pointing out anything. You were merely making an unsubstantiated claim.
Curt
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Nov 18, 2013 - 03:46pm PT
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They dont let swarms just "enter illegally" for one.
That's because they are not a capitalist economy. So, they don't need illegals to drive down wages and increase profits for a small class of capitalist freeloaders.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Nov 18, 2013 - 04:25pm PT
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Imagine what Blitzo might add to this conversation if they hadn't dragged their heels approving his last $300 chemo dose until too late, instead of just giving it to him, like they do in every other civilized country on this planet.
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Degaine
climber
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Nov 18, 2013 - 04:30pm PT
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ron anderson wrote:
but as for ACTUAL numbers according to wikipiedia, the infant mortality rate
per every 1000 live births was up to 6.91 for the usa, and 6.14 for Cuba from 2005 to 2010.
Is this the link you are referring to?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_infant_mortality_rate
If it is, then you really need to take my advice from a few pages back (or another thread, can't remember which) to get some help on your reading comprehension skills.
The rates you cite are from 2000-2005. From 2005-2010 Cuba is at 5.13 and the US at 6.81 (UN stats). The CIA World Factbook estimate for 2013 is 4.76 for Cuba and 5.9 for the US. The trend is a reduction in the rate for both countries, which is a good thing.
Since you don't seem content with the comparison to a little country, how about to Japan? Here are Japan's numbers from the same tables:
2000-2005 => 3.04
20005-2010 => 2.62
2013 => 2.17
It goes without saying that France and Germany are much lower than the US, too.
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Nov 18, 2013 - 04:39pm PT
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Bloomberg ranked countries based on the efficiency of their health-care systems.
Each country was ranked on three criteria: life expectancy (weighted 60%), relative per capita cost of health care (30%); and absolute per capita cost of health care (10%). Countries were scored on each criterion and the scores were weighted and summed to obtain their efficiency scores. Relative cost is health cost per capita as a percentage of GDP per capita. Absolute cost is total health expenditure, which covers preventive and curative health services, family planning, nutrition activities and emergency aid. Included were countries with populations of at least five million, GDP per capita of at least $5,000 and life expectancy of at least 70 years.
http://www.bloomberg.com/visual-data/best-and-worst/most-efficient-health-care-countries
USA is number 46 of 48 countries. Only Brazil and Serbia is worse off...
Among advanced economies, the U.S. spends the most on health care on a relative cost basis with the worst outcome
USA spends a lot more (spending most as a percentage of GDP per capita) and still peoples life expectancy is shorter in the US than in many other countries (USA is number 24 of 48 countries when it comes to life expectancy).
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Degaine
climber
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Nov 18, 2013 - 04:52pm PT
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ron anderson wrote:
degaine,,i said Up to, even though i miss typed the year. No further clarification needed. Point is, the difference is hardly what was said upthread EH. Im currently juggling documents, payment receipts and tax returns so EXCUSE me..
You make factual and logic mistakes, both small and huge, in just about every one of your posts. The post I quoted was not a typo or an exception, it is the rule.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Nov 18, 2013 - 05:00pm PT
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but spending in the United States is far beyond that of its peer countries.
This is another issue I believe a single payer system can address.
Monopoly can work for the consumer in this case. If there is a a single customer (ie the single payer pool) then that customer has very high leverage for setting prices in their favor.
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Nov 18, 2013 - 05:27pm PT
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dr f wrotewe can care less, Why?, because your opinions suck, and most of them are based on lies and misinformation, which just makes you a sucker and a loser
u are the king when it comes to drum circles such hatred I thought hippy people are nice
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Curt
climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
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Nov 18, 2013 - 05:31pm PT
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u are the king when it comes to drum circles such hatred I thought hippy people are nice
Even hippies can get fed-up with stupid people.
Curt
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