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jstan
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Nov 17, 2013 - 02:25pm PT
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Once at a performance by Irish folksinger Mary Black, she delivered the following regarding Bonnie Prince Charlie's defeat 400 years ago.
"It would have helped had he been competent."
No one ever forgets a war or an injustice. And those advocating war, absent imminent threat, fail to roll this into their cost calculation. Another example of "externalization". The Civil War will never be forgotten. And those advocating renewal make the same mistake made when Ft. Sumter's bombardment was ordered. The Confederates had only to look at the industrial power concentrated in the North to realize victory was not possible. It was never more than a question of how many million Union soldiers would be required. None of that equation has changed during the past century and a half. And the Union has since gained nuclear weapons.
Had less of an appeal to emotion been employed the south might have accepted a bid by the government to compensate slave owners the one or two billion dollars at which they were valued. With the unstated agreement that afterward the form of economic slavery embodied in Jim Crow would meet with no northern interference. Everyone would have come out better off and migration of blacks to the North would have just moved up a century.
This thread gives us the answer to the folk song lyric, "will we ever learn?"
Looks very unlikely.
We value entertainment above life.
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Nov 17, 2013 - 05:56pm PT
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when is the last time that America dropped a bomb on some white folks?
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Nov 17, 2013 - 05:59pm PT
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Yes, all etnic groups are susceptible to racisim but there is a big difference in outcome. In this country racisim towards whites has a miniscule effect on their quality of life, racisim towards blacks has had, and still has, an enormous negative effect on the quality of their lives.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Nov 17, 2013 - 06:14pm PT
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Sure, racisim can negatively effect whites but it's a fraction of the effect that has been visited on blacks.
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Todd Eastman
climber
Bellingham, WA
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Nov 17, 2013 - 07:44pm PT
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Flags are stoopid...
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Nov 17, 2013 - 11:41pm PT
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I'm 6'2", 195lbs
fatty.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nov 18, 2013 - 12:31am PT
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Lightweight!
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dirtbag
climber
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Nov 22, 2013 - 09:56pm PT
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Sketch's people:
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Nov 25, 2013 - 05:03am PT
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if heaven ain't a lot like dixie,
then i'd rather stay in my trailer,
maybe go noodlin in the mornin,
catch me a blue cat, cook em up,
marinate em in bacy juice,
gots me some wintergreen in the silverado somewhere,
hmmmm, where did i park that damn thing, did i loan it to bubba?
maybe the repo man got it,
time to change this musty wifebeater and go downtown,
pick me up some walmart bacon, maybe a 12 pack of billy beer,
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Nov 25, 2013 - 01:12pm PT
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Ron, your ignorance is showing (again).
If you think SD is some kind of bastion of liberalism, you really have no idea what the hell you are talking about.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Nov 25, 2013 - 01:14pm PT
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Pappy, you must be a fish out of water in Warren. I have a good deal of family there.
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jstan
climber
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Nov 25, 2013 - 01:17pm PT
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A comment on the war I have heard.
"Never before has such a brave people fought for such a bad cause."
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Nov 25, 2013 - 01:27pm PT
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What if they're ignorantly racist?
There's plenty of that kind of shite around.
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Pappy
Ice climber
Warren, VT
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Nov 25, 2013 - 01:29pm PT
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You know what?
Perhaps my title should be modified to:
Next Confederate Flag I see (where the bearer fits the mindset of 98% of those that would display such a symbol)= Free trip to Hospital
Would that satisfy you geniuses?
"There is so much hair-splitting, it's unbelievable.
Time to use brains. I know it's hard.
If you are overtly racist, I want to punch your teeth in.
It's not difficult to understand. It's not about being from the South, or the North, or a cave, or Ron's trailer.
The only reason the South, or Southern Pride comes into the picture, is because the majority of those that would defend it for the reasons I hate (but have ZERO balls to do so) use this as an out.
Critical thinkers = we ain't buying it. The flag is a symbol for sure, but it's for something that a lot of you fools won't or can't admit. That's on you."
Big of you to admit that you were treating people as members of a perceived group, rather than as individuals. But that is what bigots do.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nov 25, 2013 - 01:34pm PT
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We went to the Museum of Tolerance a few weeks ago. Of course as soon as I
was back on the street I was like, "Stupid ass driver! I HATE stupid asses!"
Then I felt bad.
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dirtbag
climber
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Nov 25, 2013 - 01:36pm PT
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Whatever poopy. I remember a post you made long ago defending the south in the civil war. You're just a neo confederate apologist.
Newsflash: your side lost dipsh#t. Good riddance.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nov 25, 2013 - 01:37pm PT
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No, Ron, we wear Burchystocks.
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this just in
climber
north fork
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Nov 25, 2013 - 01:55pm PT
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SH#T YEAH! I'm a CA 2%er.
Butchery, critical thinking involves seeing another's point of view and discussing what you think is flawed or why it doesn't work with your views. It rarely results in free trips to hospitals.
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