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lostinshanghai
Social climber
someplace
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Aug 26, 2013 - 05:10pm PT
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Khanom
Problem is people are people and they panic. They have their act together and will be there and tell people to leave or not to leave. People are giving out incorrect info on the web. It is also tying up communications because they cannot get through fast enough. Like everyone is on the phone, when they had the earthquake in Northridge phones went down because everyone was on them. They need to get access so they can reverse 911 to call you. In some cases they can not get through.
Here is yesterdays
Believe me they will give plenty of time to tell you in person when to leave or not to leave.
Let the professional people do what they are there for.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Aug 26, 2013 - 05:16pm PT
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hey there say, feralfae... wow, i DID SEE THIS message from you... just now...
i was babysitting so just dropped in fast here to 'post and run'
:)
already posted, that he got out, with help from good friends...
:)
as to this:
Neebs, I'll email you in a while when I get back from coffee and breakfast with friends from Sweden, who are cycling through today on their way to Kamloops.
hope to hear from you soon.... god blesss...
GREG, thank you for the photos here... sure wish they were REAL rain clouds and not fire clouds, :(
once again, too, mouse, i am rooting for your friends...
say, if you know the nickels, well, THANK them for taking care of matt, when they did, and i hope all will be well for them...
all for now...
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John M
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Aug 26, 2013 - 05:16pm PT
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Believe me they will give plenty of time to tell you in person when to leave or not to leave.
not certain that I would believe that, especially if a you say, they can't get through on reverse 911.
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lostinshanghai
Social climber
someplace
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Aug 26, 2013 - 05:18pm PT
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On their web site
“Due to high demand, this Web site may become unresponsive. We are working to address these issues. Thank you for your patience.”
INCIDENT UPDATED 54 MIN. AGO
So you can see where the problem is, I agree that you want information and I say that their will be someone with a crew there if the case comes to it.
And yes Central Command told the news that very thing this morning on the radio so listen to 92.7 as well.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Aug 26, 2013 - 05:36pm PT
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“Due to high demand, this Web site may become unresponsive. We are working to address these issues. Thank you for your patience.” Unfortunately that message has been at the top of the website for MONTHS (as long as I've been using it)
So it's pretty hard to say what it really means.
The "last updated" time always makes sense when I check the page.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Aug 26, 2013 - 05:37pm PT
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Jay and Khanom, thanks for the mappage, there.
The current map shows the fire's almost on Bill's doorstep. The black x between the "a" and "n" in Branch III is the location, before their section of Hardin Flat Road gets to Crocker Meadow or Rush Creek.
I see little hope, unless the fact there's a large meadow there for staging at the Inn, not to mention a turnaround for large equipment, can help out the crews.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Aug 26, 2013 - 05:49pm PT
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Since this morning all the activity seems to be on the SE side. Moving quickly towards White Wolf
Also growing SE just N of the Big Oak Flat entrance. A spot fire on Crocker Ridge.
Not much growth on the other fronts where they can get equipment and boots on the ground and use backfires to contain it.
Odd that it's moving SE with a SW wind. I suppose it's being driven by topography, up the Tuolumne River basin.
MODIS update 30 minutes ago
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Aug 26, 2013 - 05:54pm PT
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mouse
unfortunately it looks as if west section of Hardin Flat Rd got toasted end to end yesterday and Saturday. And there's still a lot of burning along it.
The fire crews are of course doing everything they safely can to protect property.
Good luck to your friends.
EDIT: that would be the west section of Hardin Flat Rd. East section not so bad, yet.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Aug 26, 2013 - 05:58pm PT
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Hardin Flat road area.
Remember yellow squares haven't burned in last 24 hours.
Also, the squares are really giant PIXELS centered at the dot. No way to tell what's going in inside a square. After all the MODIS satellite is 705 Km above.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Aug 26, 2013 - 06:06pm PT
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Big Oak Flat entrance.
So far, nothing near Tuolumne or Merced groves.
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lostinshanghai
Social climber
someplace
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Aug 26, 2013 - 06:07pm PT
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Mouse
Just called them, left a message hope they are OK. My truck is packed and ready to go was go to use it on my property but safe since I have the whole state and some across the street. As for Bill for me to get in there would have to go through Mariposa; have foam that will help out for their ground and that will help and as for their structures a little tricky for the fire retardant it lasts for 24 hours and needs to be applied at the right time.
Still checking
By the way for the best source of news are these guys, thought about spraying them, better news crews coming in now.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Aug 26, 2013 - 06:20pm PT
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As for how often they update the Inciweb site. The managers on the ground have plenty to do assimilating incoming information and directing the fire crews and air resources.
They have direct contact with county Sheriff, CHP, county emergency services, etc. Also very likely the local CERT teams. That's how they'll get out the info when people need to evacuate. On the ground, door to door.
The Inciweb site is really for the press and us bystanders.
The MODIS satellite info is a major source of info for them.
There is also, on site, a Fire Behaviorilist. This person is usually an experienced wild land fire fighter with specialized training in fire behavior. They work out their fire forecasts from MODIS, weather, fuel moisture, vegetation type, soil type, creeks, ponds, etc. They use modeling software. They give up to the minute forecasts to the Incident Commander. (A neighbor did this on the big Croy fire behind Gilroy about 10 years ago. He felt that the results he got from the models were largely accurate and invaluable)
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Social climber
SLO, Ca
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Aug 26, 2013 - 06:20pm PT
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khanom,
I agree that you should look out for yourself. Dunno if the fire is threatening your place, but, if it is, this is what I would do: Keep everything as wet / moist as possible, especially the roof and eaves of your house-- embers getting sucked up from the column and thrown from the main fire landing in fruitful ground is how big fires get bigger. Fires throw fire out in front and then draw towards the new heat. Or, they also back into good fuel. In any event, there is a lot you can do.
I know from your posting that you have some sort of farm?? It's unlikely that you would have to evacuate because of any real danger to yourselves, as opposed to being evacuated en masse because you live where you live.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Aug 26, 2013 - 06:25pm PT
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I'm sure khanom knows exactly what to do and when to do it.
The uncertainty of the fire behavior would wear on anyone's nerves after this length of time.
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lostinshanghai
Social climber
someplace
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Aug 26, 2013 - 06:30pm PT
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That was a joke guess you do not look at my posts sometimes. Spraying them with what?
Stay safe, problem in the morning people not wearing masks all the hospitals here are filled no room because of the smoke. Moisture dew plus smoke for the lungs is good for you.
That is a joke. Take it serious a few years from now people will have some issues.
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Social climber
SLO, Ca
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Aug 26, 2013 - 06:31pm PT
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Fire behavior is pretty predictable . This fire will make big runs until monsoonal moisture arrives. It's just weather at this point.
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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Aug 26, 2013 - 06:32pm PT
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yeah, all of the maps run behind depending on sat passes and the different kinds of software.
you can listen to the scanners if yr trying to stay current. if it really blows up, the hotlist threads will prolly have more timely stuff, although some of it will be wrong.
you can get a sense of what the convection is doing from some of the webcams.
plume-dominated fires are notoriously unpredictable, and this one is an especially spectacular one in really bad terrain. anyone offering firm predictions on anything is a fool.
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WBraun
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Aug 26, 2013 - 06:40pm PT
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anyone offering firm predictions on anything is a fool.
I firmly 100% predict the fire will still be burning tomorrow ........
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John M
climber
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Aug 26, 2013 - 06:44pm PT
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Lost.. Khanom is right in the middle of it. He is concerned about his property and life. And his neighbors and friends. And has been for days now. So perhaps you could understand if he missed your very slim joke.
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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Aug 26, 2013 - 07:10pm PT
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I firmly 100% predict the fire will still be burning tomorrow ........
heh
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