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kunlun_shan
Mountain climber
SF, CA
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Jun 14, 2013 - 11:55pm PT
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I thought you're for freedom, Ron. You want us to have the panopticon, worse than China?
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Jun 15, 2013 - 12:17am PT
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Even the most brain dead jihadi (or progressive) would know you can walk into your nearest Wallmart, Riteaid, or CVS and pay for a burner phone with Benjamins.
No problem.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Jun 15, 2013 - 12:24am PT
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Actually the war between Europe and Asia goes back to about 700 BC or so.
A guy named Herodotus wrote a book about it once.
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WBraun
climber
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Jun 15, 2013 - 12:31am PT
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Except that's how they found Bin Laden
They found nobody.
Stupid Americans ate the bullsh!t again ......
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Jun 15, 2013 - 12:40am PT
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We didn't know until recently that all USA citizens unilaterally have been spied on for several years and the data stored. Why not inform us that the entire USA population is being spied on? Why the secrecy? What does keeping it secret alter?
Because you have misstated it. Americans were not being spied on. The program only served to preserve the records. Nothing else. Nobody looked at anything.
To access the data, you had to have a SECOND court order.
If you came up with a possible phone number, you had to have a THIRD court order to find out who the number belonged to.
If you wanted to tap that phone you needed a FOURTH court order.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Jun 15, 2013 - 12:41am PT
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They found Bin Laden with a DNA sample from his kids, taken by a doctor that Barry Sorreto is still letting rot in a Pakistani jail.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Jun 15, 2013 - 12:43am PT
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Because you have misstated it. Americans were not being spied on. The program only served to preserve the records. Nothing else. Nobody looked at anything.
Tell that to Sharyl Attkisson.
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kunlun_shan
Mountain climber
SF, CA
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Jun 15, 2013 - 12:45am PT
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Because you have misstated it. Americans were not being spied on. The program only served to preserve the records. Nothing else. Nobody looked at anything.
To access the data, you had to have a SECOND court order.
If you came up with a possible phone number, you had to have a THIRD court order to find out who the number belonged to.
If you wanted to tap that phone you needed a FOURTH court order.
Ken M, its too late to work for the Bush administration.
Americans ARE having all their data recorded.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Jun 15, 2013 - 01:03am PT
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It went down like this Unhinged.
1. They water boarded Zawahhiri until he gave up the name of the courier
2. The courier led them to the compound
3. The doctor's DNA samples confirmed he was in the compound.
The samples you reference were the ones used to do the match.
Care to make a fool of yourself some more?
Why hasn't your prince Barry, Obama, Soretto, Dunham, Obama, not lifted a finger to get the doctor out of a Paki prison?
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Jun 15, 2013 - 05:24pm PT
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At your telco and ISP. Logging happens as your call or email transits, metadata harvesting likely happens either near real-time as streaming data or in relatively short intervals as, with this amount of data, you really can't afford to get behind.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Jun 15, 2013 - 05:47pm PT
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Govt has to scrape all your phone calls and emails because govt forgot to enforce immigration law on 20 expired visas in 2001.
And all that SIGINT hasn't helped a bit with finding 11 million other illegals.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Jun 15, 2013 - 06:48pm PT
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No one's been trying to find 99.9% of those other overstayed or illegal entrants because most are employed illegally by republican owned/managed companies.
Otherwise we would have matched entrances with exits and harshly penalized illegal employers long, long ago.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Jun 15, 2013 - 07:14pm PT
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What does it take to qualify for a high level position on Barry's security team.
Meet the new #2 at the CIA
Haines was 24 years old, she dropped out of a graduate program in physics at John Hopkins University and opened a waterfront bookstore in Baltimore. The store “turned into the regular meeting place of a small group of erotica aficionados,” where Haines held a monthly erotica reading.
Haines would set the mood for the readings. For example, in preparation for one session, “she placed red candles throughout her store,” then “got pulses racing” by reading the following:
“In the topmost bed chamber of the house (the prince) found her. He had stepped over sleeping chambermaids and valets, and, breathing the dust and damp of the place, he finally stood in the door of her sanctuary. And approaching her, he gave a soft gasp as he touched her cheek, and her teeth through her parted lips, and then her tender rounded eyelids.”
Haines has taken part in “virtually every senior-level meeting at the president’s National Security Council over the past two years.”
She has never worked in the intelligence agency in which she will soon hold the No. 2 role
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/highest_ranking_woman_nights_after_EdfXR6r5Fa5IcTebsL6qCI
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Jun 15, 2013 - 08:31pm PT
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"Im not certain what he did or did wrong"
I think it is all part of the checks and balance's of an evolving Democracy.
What would you rather have ,silence?
Edit; Not.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jun 15, 2013 - 09:06pm PT
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Guys, I don't know if you know this breaking news BUT:
The National Security Agency has acknowledged in a new classified briefing that it does not need court authorization to listen to domestic phone calls.
Rep. Jerrold Nadler, a New York Democrat, disclosed this week that during a secret briefing to members of Congress, he was told that the contents of a phone call could be accessed "simply based on an analyst deciding that."
If the NSA wants "to listen to the phone," an analyst's decision is sufficient, without any other legal authorization required, Nadler said he learned. "I was rather startled," said Nadler, an attorney who serves on the House Judiciary committee.
Not only does this disclosure shed more light on how the NSA's formidable eavesdropping apparatus works domestically, it suggests the Justice Department has secretly interpreted federal surveillance law to permit thousands of low-ranking analysts to eavesdrop on phone calls.
[/http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/06/15/1216500/-NSA-discloses-that-thousands-of-analysts-can-listen-to-domestic-phone-calls]
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kunlun_shan
Mountain climber
SF, CA
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Jun 15, 2013 - 09:30pm PT
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What's the 'secret' room that the NSA has built inside various telecom companies? Are calls, emails, et al routed to the NSA's 'secret' operation's room before reaching their intended destination?
Lovegasoline, the Mark Klein documents (AT&T technician) show the use of optical splitters, that essentially "mirror" the data. One side goes off to the intended destination and the other side to the NSA's Naurus boxes. They supposedly don't use Naurus anymore, which filtered data more specifically...... instead they grab everything.
The Mark Klein docs, that Wired released in 2006, are not easy to find online... to my surprise, most have been redacted, even on the EFF site. They are still on the Wayback Machine here, though:
http://web.archive.org/web/20060616033934/http://blog.wired.com/27BStroke6/att_klein_wired.pdf
Might want to download a copy, in case certain pages disappear. This stuff is supposed to be "secret".
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Brokedownclimber
Trad climber
Douglas, WY
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Jun 15, 2013 - 09:39pm PT
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It was the wonderful "Patriot" Act, hurriedly pushed through congress in the wake of 9/11 that authorized these domestic "activities." Strange thing is.. none of the Senators or House members read ANY of this sh#t. It had been prepared long in advance, and sat waiting for the proper incident that would allow rapid passage.
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