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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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May 31, 2013 - 08:14pm PT
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Moms a f*#kin loser whore.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - May 31, 2013 - 08:54pm PT
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If CPS is scary to you, you have problems that need immediate attention.
If you trust them to do right universally, you are the fool. They are very flawed. And way too much power to seize kids!
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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May 31, 2013 - 09:07pm PT
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Kenny,
Is this some kind of epiphany ?
Social workers aren't perfect but reducing human reality to the level of a media name calling, sports game is something you could do better with. please translate.
uhh Jim, moms letting her loser boyfriend beat on her son when she's not? loser whore. sorry
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FRUMY
Trad climber
SHERMAN OAKS,CA
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May 31, 2013 - 09:08pm PT
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Everything is flawed.
I went though a long and evil child custody battle, & had my son taken from me.
After a long hard battle they figured out who was telling the truth & in the end their reports help get me full legal & physical custody of my son.
If someone (CPS) had stepped in over the last few months the little 8 year in Palmdale that was beaten to death after months of being beaten would still be here.
You taking up the wrong battle will prevent some child that needs help from being helped.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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May 31, 2013 - 09:16pm PT
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If someone (CPS) had stepped in over the last few months the little 8 year in Palmdale that was beaten to death after months of being beaten would still be here.
you mean not all parents are good, loving, and responsible?
and those millions of abused, beaten, sexually assaulted kids?
well, that's just the price I would be willing to pay if they would only do away with those stupid big government do gooding Child Protection Services, and stuff
I mean, being an American means taking personal responsibility, sheesh...
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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May 31, 2013 - 09:37pm PT
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okeedokee, still don't understand where I sided against cps.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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May 31, 2013 - 09:51pm PT
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I'm laughing my ass off right now, cuz I have no clue what the f*#k you are talking about.
EDIT: Jim, In MY OPINION any mother that lets her boyfriend beat on her kids is a loser whore. that's it. don't dig so deep
You're wearing your upbringing on your sleeve.
my moms boyfriend didn't beat on me did yers?
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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May 31, 2013 - 10:00pm PT
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government employees screwed up again and did not get there quick enough to stop it
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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May 31, 2013 - 10:09pm PT
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When paramedics arrived at his Palmdale home last week, 8-year-old Gabriel Fernandez's skull was cracked, three ribs were broken and his skin was bruised and burned. He had BB pellets embedded in his lung and groin. Two teeth were knocked out of his mouth. sorry Jim you're right she was probably so busy volunteering down at the homeless shelter and had no clue there were alternatives to this type of life.
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FRUMY
Trad climber
SHERMAN OAKS,CA
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May 31, 2013 - 10:19pm PT
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ME--- If CPS is scary to you, you have problems that need immediate attention.
DAVEY Kos ----Yes, anyone who does not blindly trust every opaque organization with extreme power is is clearly not rational.
How on earth did you jump that chasm? WTF?
I have had lot of dealing with CPS. Less than 1% of parents ever deal with them. If you are even a half way good parent you have got no problems.
The last thing CPS needs are larger case loads. They are over worked as it is.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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May 31, 2013 - 10:24pm PT
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^^^^ my guess is know one ever told her you shouldn't flush yer baby down the toilet.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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May 31, 2013 - 10:50pm PT
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what's a drone? I'm mostly worried about those unmanned planes that go around blowin sh#t up.
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John M
climber
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If you are even a half way good parent you have got no problems.
Your statements sounds like you are ignoring the times when CPS gets overzealous and puts a good parent through the wringer. Any organization, no matter how well led can make serious mistakes. It is humans doing the work after all. They have a lot of power. They need to have a lot of power. But that power can be abused. Just like the police can and have abused their power, the military, and even the judicial system. Along with private groups and corporations.
If you are a good parent are you likely to have a problem with CPS? No. not likely. But it does happen. Which is what needs to be guarded against. One problem is that the system is often overwhelmed and is becoming more and more burdened with overbearing rules, which drives out too many good foster parents. Good foster parents are in too short of a supply for us to be burdening them. Another problem is knowing who the good ones are.
CPS is a tough job. I challenge anyone here to get on the sharp end of the stick.
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FRUMY
Trad climber
SHERMAN OAKS,CA
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i'm not ignoring anything.
I know I've been on the wrong side & I'm a good parent.
It was the worst thing that ever happened to me.
But I did what had to be done.
I think you don't think very deeply. & don't go get butt hurt. You clearly didn't read the whole post.
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BuddhaStalin
climber
Truckee, CA
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Jesus effin christ, it reeks of buttsex in here.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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open yer window
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Jun 24, 2013 - 05:52pm PT
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Of course, there is no justification for taking a child from their parents
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-0602-lopez-gabriel-20130602,0,114921.column
latimes.com
An abused boy is dead at age 8, and again we ask how it happened
Gabriel Fernandez's mother and boyfriend are not the only ones who will have to answer for his death.
by Steve Lopez
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He was 8 years old.
That's a great age for most kids. They're curious, innocent, full of life.
But Gabriel Fernandez of Palmdale was in a living hell, by official accounts, and had stopped breathing when paramedics arrived at his home on May 22.
His skull was fractured in two places. Two ribs were broken. Teeth had been knocked out or possibly yanked out. BB pellets were embedded in his lung. His skin had been burned.
It's a horrific, stomach-turning level of abuse, as detailed Friday in a Page One story by my colleague Garrett Therolf, and it's impossible to understand how anyone could do that to a child.
Two days after he was hospitalized, Gabriel died. His mother, Pearl Fernandez, and her boyfriend, Isauro Aguirre, were charged with murder and torture. Aguirre told authorities he had beaten Gabriel on numerous occasions "for lying and being dirty," according to authorities.
If they're guilty, I can't think of a penalty too severe. But the mother and boyfriend are not the only ones who will have to answer for Gabriel's death.
The L.A. County Department of Children and Family Services, with a long string of shocking failures in the deaths of children, is in the middle of this one, too. The agency left Gabriel in his mother's care despite six allegations of abuse over the last decade involving Gabriel and other children.
And we're not talking about scant evidence that Gabriel was in danger.
Caught up in a family dispute over his guardianship, Gabriel was taken from relatives last October by his mother. Immediately afterward, Gabriel's teacher reported that the boy had facial bruising and said his mother had struck him with a belt buckle and punched him in the stomach.
A month later, the same teacher said Gabriel came to school with a "busted lip" and claimed his mother had punched him.
In January of this year, the teacher reported that Gabriel's face was swollen and bruised and he said his mother had shot him in the face with a BB gun.
In March, a therapist reported that Gabriel might have been sexually assaulted by a relative, and that he had indicated he might kill himself.
Eight years old, and this poor child was thinking about suicide.
And what was Family Services doing all the while?
Not nearly enough.
Some of the allegations couldn't be substantiated by caseworkers, and Gabriel recanted some of his own statements. But how hard could it have been to connect the dots?
There's no indication that anyone from Family Services considered the totality of the allegations, or gave enough consideration to the fact that Gabriel's mother had a criminal record and a history of gang involvement and substance abuse.
A confidential internal review of the case found evidence of multiple failures on the part of department employees. Among other problems, the review found that "the case plan was inadequate," the department "did not complete required visits," an investigation was closed "despite no resolution to problems," there was inadequate or no contact with other family members, and that Gabriel was not interviewed in a neutral location, away from those who might influence his answers.
All of that is inexcusable. So is the fact that at the time of Gabriel's death, one abuse allegation had not yet been resolved, and the social worker on the case "made minimal attempts to investigate," according to the review.
So what did Family Services Director Philip Browning do about all of this?
He put four employees on desk duty pending further review.
Desk duty? You mean they're still on the job and getting paid to make decisions about children's lives?
I would have had a different assignment for them and anyone else who touched this case: Leave the building immediately. Depending on their level of involvement, I would have fired them or suspended them without pay while the review continues. And I would have lined all their supervisors up against the wall and ordered them to explain how there could have been such a catastrophic breakdown.
Sure, these are difficult jobs and thousands of kids are at risk at any time. And although Family Services employees do a lot of good and even heroic work under difficult circumstances, some children will die because their own relatives are monsters.
But Gabriel Fernandez is dead despite overwhelming evidence that he was in peril for months, if not longer. And a recent review of the department found that in 15 other cases where a child died, nobody was fired despite "egregious errors" by department staff.
Maybe this leniency is why Browning is having so much trouble changing the "culture" of the department, as he's been trying to do in his 15 months on the job. By some accounts, he's made some headway, and in an interview Friday he laid out several ways in which he's trying to establish more "common sense, critical thinking and accountability."
"It defies my imagination how someone could not have seen this coming," Browning said. But then he began to couch it, saying that "Monday morning quarterbacking is very easy" and the "culture can't be changed overnight and it can't be changed in a year or two."
Nonsense. Just tell people to do their jobs, and crack down on them when they don't.
If Browning can't get the job done soon, the Board of Supervisors — which ultimately is responsible for this long-running nightmare — should find a replacement.
At 2:52 p.m. on May 24, Gabriel Fernandez of Palmdale was pronounced dead.
He was 8 years old.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Jun 25, 2013 - 02:28pm PT
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And nobody here has ever said that, Ken.
Except you, in your strawman argument
Strawman?
Didn't you read the article? That was an actual, not a virtual, 8 y/o child
that died.
You still seem totally opposed to the concept: when in doubt, protect the child FIRST, then figure things out.
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