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S.Leeper
Social climber
somewhere that doesnt have anything over 90'
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Aug 28, 2012 - 06:00pm PT
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god I love that lsd video! I watched it twice.
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Aug 28, 2012 - 08:17pm PT
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"Running should be a pastime," ... "All sports should be a pastime. There shouldn't be all this professional stuff.
Ed Whitlock, holder of almost all age group running records.
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Srbphoto
climber
Kennewick wa
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Aug 29, 2012 - 10:37am PT
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Tyler Hamilton book now set for Sept. 5 release
LOS ANGELES (AP) — Tyler Hamilton's tell-all book about Lance Armstrong and doping in cycling will be released two weeks earlier than originally planned.
"The Secret Race: Inside the Hidden World of the Tour de France: Doping, Cover-ups, and Winning at All Costs," is now scheduled for release Sept. 5.
Ballantine Bantam Dell touts the book as the "first deeply detailed window into one of the defining sports stories of our time."
Armstrong said last week he would not pursue arbitration in a case brought by the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency, which stripped his record seven Tour de France titles.
Included in the case was Hamilton's interview with "60 Minutes" claiming he had personal knowledge of Armstrong doping.
Armstrong has steadfastly denied doping but said he was tired of fighting USADA.
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/sports/article/Tyler-Hamilton-book-now-set-for-Sept-5-release-3822871.php#ixzz24wiXWJii
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dee ee
Mountain climber
citizen of planet Earth
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Aug 29, 2012 - 01:44pm PT
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I'm looking forward to Tyler's book.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Aug 30, 2012 - 11:35pm PT
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I had never seen that LSD video, genius.
That would be great if they could eliminate doping, btw!
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Aug 31, 2012 - 12:25am PT
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I didn't sell it to him, but I think Doc Ellis took DMT that day, not LSD.
Several speculative and yet untested hypotheses suggest that endogenous DMT is produced in the human brain and is involved in certain psychological and neurological states.
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Srbphoto
climber
Kennewick wa
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Aug 31, 2012 - 01:06am PT
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A NEW TWIST
USADA responds to Liggett's claims of bribery in Armstrong case
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/usada-responds-to-liggetts-claims-of-bribery-in-armstrong-case
Ashenden calls commenator's claims 'ignorant'
USADA has issued a stinging response following veteran cycling commentator Phil Liggett's interview where the 69-year-old suggested that witnesses had been paid for giving evidence against Lance Armstrong in the agency's investigation into doping and conspiracy.
Speaking with South Africa's Ballz Radio on August 27, Liggett questioned the merits of USADA's case.
"Why is USADA doing this?" he repeatedly posed. "It's politically motivated. They have a reason for doing this and it's not what they say - it's not to clean up the sport of cycling. There is another reason behind this which they are clearly not saying."
Last week, Armstrong announced that he would not fight USADA's charges of doping and conspiracy which resulted in the agency stripping him of all results, including his seven Tour de France titles, obtained on and subsequent to August 1, 1998 and then issuing a lifetime ban.
Liggett continued: "I could get 10 people together and say, ‘I don't like you. And you take drugs.' But I have no proof. So the fact remains there is no evidence." According to the commentator, who has business interests with Armstrong, USADA is "a nefarious local drugs agency" before going on to claim that it was corrupt.
"Now I can tell you one thing," Liggett said. "And I could prove it in SA [South Africa] but I ... I met a chap who worked with Armstrong on Saturday in Boulder Colorado. And he told me that he had a visit, two years ago, to tell, and the question was, they were agents from a particular agency and they said: ‘Will you tell us that Lance Armstrong took EPO? And we could assure that you will never want for money again'. That was his quote on Thursday and he told them in words I can't put on radio what to do with that and they said "I think we're talking to the wrong man" and they walked away.
"I believe that these 10 witnesses who have all admitted apparently to seeing Lance take drugs, or selling drugs or passing them on and they themselves taking drugs - the reason they're witnesses is they've either been paid or they've been given a deal that they'll never be touched as far as suspensions go."
In response to the claims, USADA issued the following:
"It is blatantly false information from someone who has never had the courtesy to contact USADA for truthful and accurate information," said USADA media relations manager, Annie Skinner.
Meantime, former independent UCI biological passport panel member Dr. Michael Ashenden has written an open letter to Liggett calling his claims ‘ignorant'.
Published on nyvelocity.com, Ashenden says:
"But to answer your question, USADA is not doing this just because of Lance Armstrong. Instead, its about a conspiracy. You can find that word often in USADA's charging letter. A conspiracy that has infested cycling for over a decade. A conspiracy whose filthy tentacles still strangle sport today. A conspiracy that needs to be excised like a cancerous growth."
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Degaine
climber
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Aug 31, 2012 - 03:19am PT
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The Chief,
Just curious, why do you impugn Lance but not the rest of professional cycling?
All those other guys testifying were complicit to say the least and totally willing to take performance enhancing drugs. No one forced them and they could have easily bowed out of competing.
Or perhaps bowing out or refusing to cheat is easier said than done and all cyclists get caught up in the system, cede to the pressures and compromise their values since, as this is their livelihood, they see no other way out (as perhaps many of us do in our careers, daily lives, etc.).
You have to admit that the viewing audience is a bit schizophrenic with regard to cycling: condemning drug use while at the same time demanding that the athletes ride faster and go beyond what is humanly possible (with out doping). The sponsors are complicit, too. Both implicitly condones this behavior while hiding behind the fact that drug testing exists, then act outraged when one gets caught.
I don't know which I find more disgusting, the rampant doping in cycling, or the fact that cyclists, once one of "their own" is caught, throw the guilty so easily under the bus.
Humans are not perfect, and that includes Lance Armstrong. He may be a dick in person (can't say, never met him), and he probably took performance enhancing substances during his career (as every other TdF competitor did), but perhaps his great work for cancer makes up for or is some form of repentance for his "sins" as a rider.
Honest question, what has Hamilton done for cancer lately? Lemond?
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Aug 31, 2012 - 10:15am PT
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RIP Art Heyman (ave: 25.1 points, 10.9 rebounds) for Duke and led them to first Final Four in 1963.
Rode on others' shoulders, but didn't dope.
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Aug 31, 2012 - 10:21am PT
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Well (The) Chief. I guess you're right. Mr. Amrstrong should be lynched.
Along with all the other dopers in bicycling. Isn't Contador an admitted doper? Associates of LeMond say he did (oops he's already been shot).
Should Tyler Hamilton, an admitted doper, make money off tattling on Armstrong. Where's his non-disclosure?
Like I said, ban bicycle racing for ten years.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Aug 31, 2012 - 02:03pm PT
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Chief, the thing about your diatribe that bothers, is that LA has NOT been convicted of anything, anywhere.
Here in America, there has always been a standard of innocent until proven guilty.
but you throw that out.
LA may be guilty, he may even be LIKELY to be guilty, but one can state with CERTAINTY that YOU DON"T KNOW.
He has just emerged from a legal process that involved the US Gov't, with substantial legal powers, clean....that involved the SAME PEOPLE that are running the current process.
The couldn't convict him, or even indict him, under the rules.
So what do they do, change the rules. And make it clear that they will keep changing the rules until 80 year old Lance Armstrong, dead for 10 years, is convicted.
On the face of it, it appears agenda driven, not objective.
"We're gonna get that guy"
And as you learned in the navy, if a Chief wants to get a guy, he will.
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can't say
Social climber
Pasadena CA
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Aug 31, 2012 - 02:06pm PT
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Chief, dude, back off, your lifer tude is showing thru. You're a tool thru and thru
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Degaine
climber
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Aug 31, 2012 - 02:29pm PT
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The Chief,
If you prefer to be a f*#king dick and not actually read someone's post then at least have the courtesy to write that you're just looking rant and don't give a sh#t about the opinions or thoughts of others. That way we'll steer clear and not respond in any way shape or form.
Admit it, you didn't read a word of my post and just decided to lash out and be a total cöcksucker since I don't demonize and vilify Lance to the same hyperbolic extent that you do.
Are you so frustrated about being old that you need to take it out on others in the way that you do?
I sure hope that when my days are numbered and have one foot in the grave as you do that I don't act like a bitter f*#king c*#ks@cker during a simple exchange about something as insignificant in the grand scheme of things as professional cycling.
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Aug 31, 2012 - 02:53pm PT
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I guess the old term "LA turnaround" has taken on new meaning.
I would like to see a gradation of doping artifacts:
For example:
EPO alone
EPO supplemented with blood transfusion
EPO with blood and an LA turnaround
EPO with blood and LA turnarmound and anabolic steriod
you got it ...
With complete divulging of the various enhancers there could be tiered competitions.
I don't know who gets paid the most, the volume users or the skinflints.
And just like Willard Romney, this would all be done on the "honor" system.
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Curt
Boulder climber
Gilbert, AZ
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Aug 31, 2012 - 02:58pm PT
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As much as The Chief likes to spew about truth and honesty, "truth" is the last thing he is interested in. He is only interested in seeing Lance Armstrong get screwed out of his TDF titles.
As if it weren't clear enough before, this clearly demonstrates The Chief's extreme bias:
Old Bernie Madoff contributed large amounts (100's of 1000's) of his scammed funds to several local and international children's and homeless charities. Does that negate his over all behavior?
Only a truly warped individual would compare Lance Armstrong with Bernie Madoff in any context.
Curt
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Aug 31, 2012 - 02:58pm PT
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Nice post Ken M (as usual). Lance A is innocent until shown otherwise. And it hasn't been shown otherwise.
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Aug 31, 2012 - 03:26pm PT
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For me, if there is evidence he cheated which leads to a 'conviction' of it, I'll simply think 'he cheated, he's guilty, he should be stripped of any titles he earned while cheating.'
Until then, he is innocent until proven guilty. Pretty straightforward to me.
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can't say
Social climber
Pasadena CA
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Aug 31, 2012 - 03:27pm PT
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Lifer = Tool
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