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Hawkeye
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State of Mine
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Nov 18, 2010 - 11:57pm PT
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ACblah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blahblah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,blah, blah, blah, blah, blah blah, blah....
RJ, i really think that this time you have been way too insulting to another st poster.....afterall, this was AC's most valuable post on the entire thread.
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Hawkeye
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State of Mine
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Nov 19, 2010 - 12:11am PT
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frankly rj, now you are throwing him too much credit!
i said early in this thread that this was a battle of special interests. i see little need to protect the wolf as an endangered species. they are smart, travel far and wide, multiply readily and need little "help" from us. that might help to control their population in a more cost effective manner than paying thousands for wolf to get the bad ones. i like wolves, i loved hearing them close to my camp in Northern ID, WA and BC.
i still havent heard about the hypocracy of people from cali that fly the flag of and extinct species telling other states how to manage their wildlife....
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Fritz
Trad climber
Hagerman, ID
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Nov 19, 2010 - 12:35am PT
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I really respect and love California!
Idaho capitalists make a lot of money from sending California: Electricity, Potatoes, "Fresh Idaho Trout", and many other agricultural and mineral resources.
I always cherish the 19th century slogan about Californians.
“The miners came in 49, the whores in 51. When they got together: they made a Native Son."
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Hawkeye
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State of Mine
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Nov 19, 2010 - 02:52am PT
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i have nothing sincerely against CA. frankly, they are ahead of the curve with regards to populaiton growth vs wilderness interactions. those of us in less populated states should learn from their own tribulations.
and they should not expect us outside of CA to protect things that they are sorry about. but each of us must weigh the reality of all human life against our values and make the right choices.
edit:
but i have FUN giving them sh#t....
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corniss chopper
Mountain climber
san jose, ca
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Nov 19, 2010 - 02:59am PT
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I think its good riddance to the CA griz. That we have 'it' on the flag
serves as a reminder of what people do to dangerous critters is a sly joke
that goes over some peoples heads.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Nov 19, 2010 - 03:06am PT
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AC i assume your comment was that you and CC are related?
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Nov 19, 2010 - 03:08am PT
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ac, face it. more populated areas rely on less populated areas to save big city dwellers a piece of nature cuz those big city dudes used all of thiers up.
point is, life is a balance.....
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Nov 19, 2010 - 03:17am PT
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keep your self portraits to yourself there good buddy....
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Nov 19, 2010 - 03:29am PT
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AC,
your baby pic says a lot!!!
nice one brah!
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Nov 19, 2010 - 03:43am PT
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Those are pretty embarrassingly stupid things to have said out loud...
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Nov 19, 2010 - 03:54am PT
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Well then I might as well put in one of my favorites from another wolf thread.
"We don't want wolves up here and
Idaho is not California's poodle".
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edejom
Boulder climber
Butte, America
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Nov 19, 2010 - 09:43am PT
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Ripped from the mornings' head-line in the Montana Standard
Montana asks feds for limited wolf hunt
HELENA - The state Fish, Wildlife and Parks Commission will ask the federal government for a permit that would allow a limited wolf hunt in southwest Montana because of the threat to the elk population there.
A federal judge reinstated endangered species protections for the gray wolf in Montana and Idaho this summer, but the state wildlife agency can ask for such a hunt in small areas where wolves are deemed an experimental species, such as the West Fork of the Bitterroot River.
The agency proposes to shoot 12 of the estimated 24 wolves in that area south of Darby. The state agency would choose 100 "agents of the state" from a pool of hunters who apply.
The wolves preying on elk calves in the region have contributed to a dangerously low ratio of calves to cows, wildlife officials said.
Before 2007, there were at least 25 calves per 100 cows. Over the last two years, the average has been 10 calves per 100 cows, said Mike Thompson, FWP regional wildlife manager for the Bitterroot area."We feel it's something we can't ignore," Thompson said. "Those numbers won't sustain a population over time."
The FWP commission approved the proposal on Thursday. It will send a permit application to the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service that includes with 162 public comments and five "peer reviews" of the proposal prepared by experts in Alaska, Michigan and Minnesota.
FWP wildlife chief Ken McDonald said his agency has received comments both for and against the proposal. Those who were against generally said they were concerned about killing wolves to benefit elk and hunters, or else they believed that wolf control wouldn't stop elk numbers from declining.
McDonald said it could take six months or longer for the Fish and Wildlife Service to approve or reject the application for a permit.
Idaho has applied for a similar permit to reduce the wolf population in the Lolo area just across the Continental Divide, but federal officials have told them the application must first go through a lengthy environmental assessment through the National Environmental Policy Act process, McDonald said.The same is likely to happen with Montana's application, he said.
That would mean a hunt is not likely to take place until next winter. The proposal had originally called for a hunt at the beginning of 2011.
Federal officials have already denied a previous Montana request for a much larger "conservation hunt" of gray wolves in response to increasing attacks on livestock and elk.
The number of wolves has skyrocketed since 66 wolves were brought from Canada to central Idaho and Yellowstone National Park. The population hit the original recovery benchmark of 300 animals a decade ago and at least 1,700 wolves now roam parts of six states.
The Fish and Wildlife Service turned wolf management over to Montana and Idaho last year while leaving endangered species protections for wolves Wyoming because of that state's "shoot on sight" policy for wolves outside the Yellowstone National Park area.
A federal judge this summer ruled the species could not be divided along political lines and restored endangered species protections in Montana and Idaho.
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edejom
Boulder climber
Butte, America
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Nov 19, 2010 - 10:03am PT
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"Or shoot em yourself, mano y wolf pack.
Man up MONTANA!"--Dingus
Looks like from the article that's what we're trying to do--if the mighty Fed powers allow us to do so...
...tell the "Cali-ban" eco-terrorist groups to stop pressuring them, so we can also.
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edejom
Boulder climber
Butte, America
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Nov 19, 2010 - 10:47am PT
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I'm with you on that opinion, Dingus--sounds reasonable.
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Jennie
Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
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Nov 19, 2010 - 09:41pm PT
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Welfare spending is only a drop in the bucket of total federal spending Jennie. Let's look at the whole picture:
Federal spending per dollar of tax received rank:
Alaska: 3 ($1.84 received per dollar of tax paid)
MT: 11
ID: 20 ($1.21 received per dollar of tax paid)
WY: 23
CA: 43 ($0.78 recieved per dollar paid)
Yes, Stevep, lets consider the whole picture.
A huge portion of the whole picture of federal spending is funding for Social Security, federal pensions, disability etc. According to your source, California received $81,796,321,000 funding last year for those programs...Idaho received $4,373,079,000. Dividing these expenditures by the respective populations of CA and ID we get per capita retirement, pensions and disability payments of $2,198 for California and $2,829 for Idaho.
Unfair?
Idaho is the fifth fasteth growing state with a population boom of 55% in 26 years. Many of these are older people who relocate to Idaho for it's lower cost of living. (Some move to get away from gangs, crime. bad air etc.) Should they be entitled to Social Security, government pensions, Medicare if they worked and paid taxes, most of their lives, in another state, but moved to Idaho in their senior years?
The disparity in federal retirement spending between California and Idaho suggests, rather strongly, that there is a larger per capita exodus of seniors to Idaho than California. The state of California ranks 48th in per capita federal retirement and disability payments. Where are CA seniors going?
We see housing going up around Rexburg, Idaho Falls and Pocatello being filled by transplants from the west coast...and Californians buying rural Idaho land and building mansions...and Idaho retirement centers with significant ex-Calfornia occupants.
...we hear similar news from Montana residents.
Sure looks to me like the Californians are subisidizing you guys.
Require seniors to forfeit their Social Security, Medicare and government service pensions if they relocate to another state or require them to collect these entitlements in the states in which they paid in, Steve... and this so-called "subsidization" of Idaho will quickly deflate.
 http://www.taxfoundation.org/research/show/266.html
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Nov 19, 2010 - 09:50pm PT
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How did this wolf thread, that has nothing to do with the golden state, get strawmaned by a Bitter, drunken redneck ex pat, into an anti-Cali thread?
Party on Lance!
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Jennie
Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
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Nov 19, 2010 - 09:54pm PT
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Anti California thread?
I could have sworn it was anti-Idaho!
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Nov 19, 2010 - 10:00pm PT
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OK to return to your quip - Montana is the 7th Sucker on the Federal Teat list - raking in $1.64 for every $1.00 paid out in Federal taxes.
So stop your bellyaching that your financial masters are exerting control over THEIR LAND. Yall free and independent cowboys, miners and hunters have been at the teat so long ya done forgot who pays your bills!
Sheesh! Leave our wolves alone.
Or shoot em yourself, mano y wolf pack.
Man up MONTANA!
DMT
whooooooaaaaaaaaaaaa pardner!!!!!!!
take some political math classes........its called take the statistics you want to prove the point you want. can CA survive without other states help in terms of energy and water? i doubt it. you guys are screwed! besides you are the GOLDEN state. WTF do u care about woves in montana???and WHY??? i dont f*#king get it?!?!?
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Hawkeye
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State of Mine
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Nov 19, 2010 - 10:03pm PT
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From my lips to their ears.
I have zero respect for any wolf hunting involving choppers, dogs, poison or groups of hunters pursuing the same target.
I would totally respect a rancher who went and settled her own business, however. Should that ever happen, that is.
DMT
whoda thought there would be common cents from dmt???? dooooooooood, those folks in rural areas are so appreciative of your recommendation. damn we are excited now......
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Hawkeye
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State of Mine
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Nov 19, 2010 - 10:13pm PT
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ac, you are a pissless mess designed to ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
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