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dirtbag
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Jan 18, 2011 - 05:54pm PT
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Hawkeye, did you read Norton's reply?
Norton Snopesed it, and it turn out to be BS.
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Hawkeye
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State of Mine
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Jan 18, 2011 - 05:59pm PT
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ok, i got it.....wasnt very clear, applies to capital gains though....still BS...
Analysis: While not completely false, this message does convey the erroneous impression that the Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010 imposes a 3.8% sales tax on all real estate transactions.
It doesn't. Here's the real scoop, based on the best analyses I can find:
Among the several new taxes and tax increases provided for in the final legislation (see Kiplinger for a concise summary) is a 3.8% tax on investment income for "high earners" only. Revenues from the tax, which goes into effect in 2013, will be dedicated to the Medicare Trust Fund.
"High earners" are defined as individuals whose gross income is $200,000 or more, or married couples filing jointly with a combined gross income of $250,000 or more.
my wife and i are close to that high earner threshold....when will the entire tax code be rewritten so that it is simple and fair?
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Daniel Eubank
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Woodbridge, VA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 19, 2011 - 04:09pm PT
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The damage has already begun
By SALLY PIPES
Last Updated: 12:12 AM, January 19, 2011
Posted: 10:42 PM, January 18, 2011
Repeal of ObamaCare can't come soon enough -- as several damaging provisions are set to take effect this year.
For starters, it has effectively stopped the construction of physician-owned hospitals throughout the country.
Section 6001 of the health-care law required physician-owned hospitals to obtain their Medicare certification by the end of last year. Without it, they can't treat Medicare patients. And the facilities needed to be open to get that certification.
So construction halted at 45 hospitals as the New Year arrived. Work on countless others will never start, having been effectively banned by ObamaCare. This will limit competition in the health-care marketplace, driving up costs for patients.
Of course, patients may have trouble finding not just a hospital, but a doctor. A Physician's Foundation survey revealed that 40 percent of doctors plan to "drop out of patient care in the next one to three years." Sixty percent said ObamaCare will "compel them to close or significantly restrict their practices to certain categories of patients" -- typically those on Medicare or Medicaid.
Health reform will force many folks to give up their current insurance, too.
New rules requiring insurers in the individual and small-group markets to spend at least 80 percent of premium dollars on medical claims are intended to ensure that consumers get good value for their money. Instead, they'll push many plans out of existence. And with fewer competitors to keep them honest, the insurers that survive will have an easier time raising rates.
Other measures kicking in are petty -- but punitive. For example, people can no longer use tax-free Health Savings Accounts on basic over-the-counter drugs. Instead, they must pay for a doctor's appointment -- and then get a prescription for a pricier pharmacist-dispensed drug.
Consider the case of Claritin, an allergy medication that recently was approved for OTC use. A report from the National Center for Policy Analysis found that longtime users of the drug saw their daily costs fall 80 percent, from about $2.50 to just 50 cents. ObamaCare reverses this trend by encouraging people to opt for higher-priced prescription drugs when a cheaper OTC medication would work just as well.
And some measures are cut-off-your-nose-to-spite-your-face punitive -- like the new $2.5 billion excise tax on pharmaceutical companies. Drug manufacturers won't simply swallow this new bill; they'll pass it onto consumers in the form of higher prices.
Thus, by (for example) increasing the cost of care for patients who need cholesterol-lowering statins or cancer-fighting meds, ObamaCare harms our health.
Public discontent with ObamaCare will only grow as its provisions begin to take effect this year. Congress should repeal it with all due speed.
Sally C. Pipes is president and CEO at the Pa cific Research Institute. Her latest book is "The Truth About ObamaCare."
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the Fet
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Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Jan 19, 2011 - 04:22pm PT
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Lets consider what the Left and right believe.
Democrats believe in killing babies and old people
..but not murderers -- murderers will get a "time out" and a chance to speak at the graduation ceremony of a prominent liberal arts college.
Republicans believe in killing minorities and single mothers.
Democrats believe in poverty programs. The more programs, the more poverty. And poor people vote for Democrats.
Republicans believe in euthanasia of the poor.
Being rich is no fair. Democrats believe in fairness and will force you to give up your money via higher taxes.
Republicans believe the 0.1 percent who are super rich should control all wealth and tell everyone what to do because there were smart enough to amass that money. Like Paris Hilton.
Democrats believe minorities are stupid and helpless (and no fair counting Asians as minorities).
Republicans believe the same thing.
Yes Democrats do believe in gun control, even though playground gunshot injuries are a proven vote-getter. Go figure.
Republicans believe that if everyone owned a fully automatic assault rifle we'd all be safer.
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Hawkeye
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State of Mine
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Jan 19, 2011 - 05:29pm PT
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Consider the case of Claritin, an allergy medication that recently was approved for OTC use. A report from the National Center for Policy Analysis found that longtime users of the drug saw their daily costs fall 80 percent, from about $2.50 to just 50 cents. ObamaCare reverses this trend by encouraging people to opt for higher-priced prescription drugs when a cheaper OTC medication would work just as well.
proof that danny ubank has OD'ed on drugs and lost any semblance of intelligence.....
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the Fet
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Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Jan 19, 2011 - 05:29pm PT
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Repblicans believe in freedom of religion. You can believe in any protestant Christian religion you want.
Democrats believe in freedom of speech. You should be able to produce any twisted porn fetish videos you want.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Jan 19, 2011 - 05:39pm PT
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Republicans also believe in freedom of speech. You should be able to produce any twisted GAY porn fetish videos you want.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Jan 19, 2011 - 05:50pm PT
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Nationalization of Banks, the Auto Industry, and Health Care.
Please point out the location of the nationalized banks that have been produced?
Please point out national auto brands that have emerged?
Please point out the nationalized health care companies that have emerged?
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Jan 19, 2011 - 06:04pm PT
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The damage has already begun
By SALLY PIPES
Last Updated: 12:12 AM, January 19, 2011
Posted: 10:42 PM, January 18, 2011
Repeal of ObamaCare can't come soon enough -- as several damaging provisions are set to take effect this year.
For starters, it has effectively stopped the construction of physician-owned hospitals throughout the country.
Section 6001 of the health-care law required physician-owned hospitals to obtain their Medicare certification by the end of last year. Without it, they can't treat Medicare patients. And the facilities needed to be open to get that certification.
So construction halted at 45 hospitals as the New Year arrived. Work on countless others will never start, having been effectively banned by ObamaCare. This will limit competition in the health-care marketplace, driving up costs for patients.
SO>>>>>The GOP is all for getting rid of "fraud waste and abuse", and cutting spending......UNTIL it involves cutting wasted spending that goes to it's supporters!
Non-profit hospitals are the way to go, rather than skimming public tax money off the top to pay vendors that are less efficient, provide less service for their communities, force tax rates higher for no benefit.
And they are borrowing from the Chinese to do it!!
Gotta love those "borrow and spend" Repubs!
An American Hospital Association study from 2008 says that physician-owned hospitals “lessen patient access to emergency and trauma case;” “damage the financial health of full-service hospitals and lead to cutbacks in service;” “are not more efficient than full service community hospitals;” “use physician-owners to steer patients;” “cherry pick the most profitable patients;” and “provide limited or no emergency services.”
Meanwhile, one AHA fact sheet asserts that physician-owned orthopedic and surgical hospitals costs are 20 percent to 30 percent higher than average hospitals. Further, these hospitals just lead to higher profits for doctors, the AHA asserts.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Jan 19, 2011 - 06:15pm PT
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Did you know that if you sell your house after 2012 you will pay a 3.8% sales tax on it? That's $3,800 on a $100,000 home etc.
When did this happen? It's in the health care bill. Just thought you should know.
SALES TAX TO GO INTO EFFECT 2013 (Part of HC Bill) Why 2013? Could it be to come to light AFTER the 2012 Elections?
REAL ESTATE SALES TAX
Do you really have to lie? Or do you have no clue about what you are posting? This would likely affect less than 5% of sellers, and only those who are the wealthiest.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/taxes/realestate.asp
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Jan 19, 2011 - 06:21pm PT
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I'm making a vow. No more responding to Eubanks threads. He's just a faceless tool incapable of contributing anything other than cut and paste bullshit from polititard right wing sources. Even taking into consideration the vast amount of drivel tossed out on this site by some, the man contributes NOTHING. He's just a pussy. Someone who starts controversy but isn't man enough to participate in the debate he creates. Pathetic.
As much as I dislike Fatty, at least he provides his own personal thoughts.
I'm taking the pledge
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dirt claud
Sport climber
san diego,ca
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Jan 19, 2011 - 06:25pm PT
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Has anyone here actually read the health care bill?
Here is a link to the PDF copy of the whole health care bill.
http://lc.org/media/9980/attachments/healthcare_overview_obama_072909.pdf
When you click on the link it first shows a PDF document summarizing the bill and it's key points. You can fact check by comparing what is stated, with the actual wording in the bill. which is accessed through a link on the first sheet of the PDF
If anyone out there is really interested in finding out what is in this thing I suggest you read it for yourself. I would rather read it myself and find out what is really going on then expecting left or right wing media to tell me.
That is a big part of the reason we are getting screwed from the right and left. They know from experience that most people don't take the time to do their own research. If there ever was a time in American history to do your own research it is now.
Perhaps we the people can discuss how we interpret this bill instead of having the government tell us. After all, we are the government. Remember?
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dirt claud
Sport climber
san diego,ca
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Jan 19, 2011 - 06:35pm PT
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And what the hell is going on in this country that we would welcome such a f*#ked up government from China who does things like this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbDSOmTWU7U&feature=player_embedded#!
to its people. I think this should make us question our governments morals.
Perhaps the government does not speak for us anymore and has it's own agenda.
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Daniel Eubank
Sport climber
Woodbridge, VA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 20, 2011 - 09:13am PT
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27 of 50 States Now Challenging Constitutionality of Obamacare in Court
CNSNews| January 19, 2011 | Fred Lucas
(CNSNews.com) - More than half of the states—27 out of 50—are now challenging the constitutionality of Obamacare in federal court.
Six additional states--Iowa, Kansas, Maine, Ohio, Wisconsin and Wyoming--petitioned in federal court on Tuesday to join Florida’s law suit challenging the constitutionality of the health care law President Barack Obama signed last March. Nineteen states had previously joined with Florida in this suit, making the total number of states that are now a party to the suit 26.
Virginia, which has filed its own lawsuit against Obamacare, is the 27th state challenging the constitutionality of the health-care law in federal court. (A complete list of all 27 states appears at the bottom of this story.)
Florida’s suit challenges the constitutionality of Obamacare on two grounds, arguing that the law’s mandate that individuals must buy health insurance exceeds the legitimate power granted to the federal government to regulate interstate commerce under the Commerce Clause of the Constitution and also that the mandates the law imposes on state governments to expand their Medicaid programs violates the 10th Amendment, which limits the federal government to the powers delegated to it by the Constitution.
Virginia's lawsuit challenges the constitutionality of the individual mandate.
In December, Judge Henry Hudson of the U.S. District Court in Richmond, Va., sided with Virginia in that case, ruling that the Constitution does not give the federal government the power to force individuals to buy health insurance.
The Florida-led case is currently before U.S. District Judge Roger Vinson in Pensacola, Fla. Oral arguments were held on Dec. 16. Judge Vinson has not issued a ruling yet.
Ultimately, the cases will be decided by the U.S. Supreme Court.
“This lawsuit is about standing up for the rule of law and protecting the liberties guaranteed by our Constitution,” Kansas Atty. Gen. Derek Schmidt said in a statement. “Our federal government is designed to be a government of limited, enumerated powers, and we do not believe it has the power to order citizens into commerce so it can then regulate their conduct under authority of the Commerce Clause. Whatever the merits or demerits of health care reform, the ends cannot justify the unconstitutional means.”
Maine Atty. Gen. William Schneider said in statement, “The federal health care reform law mandates that all citizens to purchase health insurance or pay a costly penalty. This would be an unprecedented expansion of federal power, violating the 10th Amendment and the Commerce Clause of the United States Constitution.”
“The federal government simply does not have the right to force someone to buy a product--be it health insurance or any other type of goods or services that an individual may or may not want – or face a penalty,” Ohio Attorney General Mike DeWine said in a statement.
Wisconsin Attorney General J.B. Van Hollen said the “Constitution places limits on the power of the federal government, and these limits must be defended or they will disappear.
“Never before has the federal government required an individual to either buy government-approved insurance or pay a penalty,” Van Hollen continued. “And nowhere does the Constitution authorize Congress to regulate in this manner.”
The National Federation of Independent Businesses (NFIB), which advocates for small businesses, has also joined Florida’s suit against Obamacare.
“Having more than half of the nation’s states involved in this case along with NFIB, who represents more than 350,000 small businesses nationwide, sends a strong message to the courts that this law is detrimental to the entire nation and must be overturned,” said Karen Harned, executive director, NFIB Small Business Legal Center.
These are the 27 states now challenging Obamacare in federal: Florida, South Carolina, Nebraska, Texas, Utah, Louisiana, Alabama, Colorado, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Washington, Idaho, South Dakota, Indiana, North Dakota, Mississippi, Nevada, Arizona, Georgia, Alaska, Ohio, Wisconsin, Maine, Iowa, Wyoming, Kansas and Virginia.
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Daniel Eubank
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Woodbridge, VA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 20, 2011 - 09:26am PT
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The most damning quote concerning Obamacare last year from Democratic Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi:
"we have to pass the health care bill so that you can find out what is in it"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoE1R-xH5To
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Daniel Eubank
Sport climber
Woodbridge, VA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 20, 2011 - 09:36am PT
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The House launched the repeal vote of Obamacare around 5:45 pm Wednesday January 19, 2011. And a few minutes later, the GOP voted to repeal the health law, 245 to 189. It must now go to the Senate.
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dirtbag
climber
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Jan 20, 2011 - 10:16am PT
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jan 20, 2011 - 10:44am PT
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Why, YES, Dirt Claud
I HAVE read the healthcare bill.
All 2000 pages of it.
TWICE NOW
Since you asked if anyone has actually read it.
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And Daniel has already proven that he will copy and past internet rumors and outright
lies WITHOUT first fact checking.
Thus, he has NO credibility.
SUCK ON IT
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shut up and pull
climber
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Jan 20, 2011 - 12:20pm PT
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FROM POWERLINE THIS MORNING:
Democratic Congressman Steve Cohen of Tennessee is getting a lot of attention for comparing Republicans to Nazi propagandist Joseph Goebbels on the floor of the House during the Obamacare debate. This, obviously, is what Democrats have in mind when they talk about the need for greater civility in political discourse, right?
Just kidding. What is significant, though, is not that Cohen's attack was uncivil, but rather that it was wrong. He says that Republicans are lying when "[t]hey say it's a government takeover of health care, a big lie, just like Goebbels. You say it enough, you repeat the lie, you repeat the lie, you repeat the lie and eventually people believe it." But Obamacare is intended to lead to a government takeover of health care. How do we know this? Because Barack Obama says so. He wants a single payer system, a euphemism for socialized medicine, and expects his plan to drive private insurance companies out of business over a period of 15 to 20 years, thereby clearing the field for the federal government.
Obamacare confers plenty of power on the federal bureaucracy to render private health insurance unprofitable, and thereby drive private carriers out of the market. Who, then, will be left? The federal government, just as Obama says he wants.
If there is a Joseph Goebbels on the scene here, it is anyone who says that we should pay no attention to the man in front of the curtain who says his goal is single payer socialized medicine.
Watch this video to know the truth:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-bY92mcOdk&feature=player_embedded#at=98
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