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Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Jul 1, 2010 - 05:50pm PT
largo, and i'm quite serious about this, what you said up there constitutes a slander and it will be remembered.

Oy vey.
Hawkeye

climber
State of Mine
Jul 1, 2010 - 05:56pm PT
port,

dont forget their friend wolfboy in that pack of psychologically challenged whack jobs.

they must have led a rough childhood with all kinds of monsters under their bed....
Tony Bird

climber
Northridge, CA
Jul 1, 2010 - 05:59pm PT
i guess klim and i will be the only ones left. maybe we'll learn to be nice about religion. but you guys are all giving ad hominems, if that isn't too big a word for you. i do like to stick to the subject. and you're all dropping the subject line like a hot potato, because that's exactly what it is.

as i told klimmer in the shroud of turin mudfling, don't ask me to see all your videos and read all your books so i can think exactly the way you think. if you've mastered that material, you ought to be able to express it in your own words. give me a link or a reference and i can check it if i question it. or read all about it if i'm terribly interested. a series of web links to other people who are speaking for you doesn't do it for speaking for yourself.
Hawkeye

climber
State of Mine
Jul 1, 2010 - 06:06pm PT
some of us have spoken pretty clear Tony.

we recommmend psychological help for you and a psychiatrist may have to prescribe some meds.
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Jul 1, 2010 - 06:17pm PT
They mostly used the phones built into the backs of seats, which are designed to work while the airplane is in the air.

That is, unless you believe otherwise. But you have to believe really, really hard.
Tony Bird

climber
Northridge, CA
Jul 1, 2010 - 06:23pm PT
by the way, you can check out largo's post to "dr. k"--i guess he meant dr. f--obviously intended for the belief-in-god thread, mistakenly posted here two "previous" screens back, unless he has removed it out of embarrassment.

since largo has declared the subject of 9/11 false-flag to be "jibberish" and "tripe", would that mean he has enough secret interest in the subject to be lurking here and make that mistaken paste? or has he become some kind of policeman?
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Jul 1, 2010 - 06:25pm PT
since largo has declared the subject of 9/11 false-flag to be "jibberish" and "tripe"
A conclusion that most SuperTopians see no reason to discuss, let alone disagree with. But it's fun baiting you whack-jobs.
Tony Bird

climber
Northridge, CA
Jul 1, 2010 - 06:29pm PT
those are airphones, not cellphones, MH, and, it's another old issue in 9/11 truth. cellphones were what was originally reported and i don't think it has been retracted.

glad you're honest about your intentions. i don't mind being in the dog pit for people with nothing better to do. at least you admit you're not above some low-class entertainment.
Hawkeye

climber
State of Mine
Jul 1, 2010 - 06:43pm PT
good job Tony! at least you admit this is low class!
WBraun

climber
Jul 1, 2010 - 06:48pm PT
Anders -- "A conclusion that most SuperTopians see no reason to discuss, let alone disagree with. But it's fun baiting you whack-jobs."

All the information is in these how it was covered up:

http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/

http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/report/index.htm

http://www.9-11commission.gov/staff_statements/

http://www.justice.gov/oig/

Obviously Anders you don't want to spend years of your time going through all these documents to see how it was done.

Instead you just want to talk sh'it as usual and think your so smart .....



Port

Trad climber
San Diego
Jul 1, 2010 - 06:49pm PT
It doesn't happen, it can't happen, it didn't happen. No cell phone calls

You don't know this. You BELIEVE it.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 1, 2010 - 06:50pm PT
Rockjox - where do you get this info?

Airfone was in near universal use across major airlines until Verizon pulled the plug from 2006 to 2008 except for some private and gov't aircraft. I used it regularly until it they did. Do you guys just make this sh#t up?
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Jul 1, 2010 - 06:57pm PT
Conspiracy hypothesis 1: The supposed phone calls from the four hijacked planes were faked, because it's nearly impossible to make a cell phone call from a plane in the air. Notwithstanding validated recordings, the dead, etc etc.

Conspiracy hypothesis 2: OK, there were airphones in the headrests on the planes, but none of them actually worked. The airlines went to great expense to install phones that didn't work.

According to the 9/11 Commission Report, 13 passengers from Flight 93 made a total of over 30 calls to both family and emergency personnel (twenty-two confirmed air phone calls, two confirmed cell phone and eight not specified in the report). According to Debunk911myths.org, all but two calls from Flight 93 were made on air phones, not cell phones, and both calls lasted about a minute before being dropped.[119] Brenda Raney, Verizon Wireless spokesperson, said that Flight 93 was supported by several cell sites.[117] There were reportedly three phone calls from Flight 11, five from Flight 175, and three calls from Flight 77. Two calls from these flights were recorded, placed by flight attendants Madeleine Sweeney and Betty Ong on Flight 11.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_conspiracy_theories#Phone_calls
Hawkeye

climber
State of Mine
Jul 1, 2010 - 06:58pm PT
healyje, stop it with the facts.
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Jul 1, 2010 - 07:00pm PT
Here's one contention that the plane didn't have an airphone installed.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=8514

"American Airlines Contradicts Olson’s Second Version

A 9/11 researcher, knowing that AA Flight 77 was a Boeing 757, noticed that AA’s website indicated that its 757s do not have passenger-seat phones. After he wrote to ask if that had been the case on September 11, 2001, an AA customer service representative replied: “That is correct; we do not have phones on our Boeing 757. The passengers on flight 77 used their own personal cellular phones to make out calls during the terrorist attack.”8

In response to this revelation, defenders of the official story might reply that Ted Olson was evidently right the first time: she had used her cell phone. However, besides the fact that this scenario is rendered unlikely by the cell phone technology employed in 2001, it has also been contradicted by the FBI."



Some more details that preceeded that

"Olson’s Self-Contradictions

Olson began this process of undermining by means of self-contradictions. He first told CNN, as we have seen, that his wife had “called him twice on a cell phone.” But he contradicted this claim on September 14, telling Hannity and Colmes that she had reached him by calling the Department of Justice collect. Therefore, she must have been using the “airplane phone,” he surmised, because “she somehow didn’t have access to her credit cards.”4 However, this version of Olson’s story, besides contradicting his first version, was even self-contradictory, because a credit card is needed to activate a passenger-seat phone.

Later that same day, moreover, Olson told Larry King Live that the second call from his wife suddenly went dead because “the signals from cell phones coming from airplanes don’t work that well.”5 After that return to his first version, he finally settled on the second version, saying that his wife had called collect and hence must have used “the phone in the passengers’ seats” because she did not have her purse.6

By finally settling on this story, Olson avoided a technological pitfall. Given the cell phone system employed in 2001, high-altitude cell phone calls from airliners were impossible, or at least virtually so (Olson’s statement that “the signals from cell phones coming from airplanes don’t work that well” was a considerable understatement). The technology to enable cell phone calls from high-altitude airline flights was not created until 2004.7

However, Olson’s second story, besides being self-contradictory, was contradicted by American Airlines."

FWIW

Don't know what happened but don't think we got the whole truth

Peace

karl
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Jul 1, 2010 - 07:01pm PT
Werner almost always sounds like such a knowledgeable grounded well meaning individual which is perhaps why his occasional brain-fart postings seem that much more strange.


WTF man? Was your buddy Lobo experimenting with a tazer?
Doesn't your paycheck come from Uncle Sam? Wouldn't that also make you a tacit supporter of the great conspiracy? A cog in their machine?

I'm serious. This is a head scratcher for me.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 1, 2010 - 07:04pm PT
Rockjox - wait a minute, again, Airfone was in near univeral use on all major US carriers in 2001. Why is it you keep saying they weren't?
WBraun

climber
Jul 1, 2010 - 07:25pm PT
Ron

There are certain people always calling others wack jobs, names and other bullsh'it all the time here.

I give it right back to em, and then they cry foul.

Such pussy ass fuking chicken sh't people.

Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Jul 1, 2010 - 07:30pm PT
Hey, I usually only call the conspiracy theory bunch whackjobs, and at that only occasionally. Though it's fun to mock them, I admit it's like shooting fish in a barrel. Anyway, they can call me names all they like, if they want. Water off a duck's back.
Hawkeye

climber
State of Mine
Jul 1, 2010 - 07:31pm PT
from Wikipedia, you can go there and check their references.

After 9/11, cellular experts said that calls were able to be placed from the hijacked planes, and that they were surprised that they lasted as long as they did. They said that the only reason that the calls went through in the first place is that the aircraft were flying so close to the ground.[116] Alexa Graf, an AT&T spokesperson said it was almost a fluke that the calls reached their destinations.[117] Other industry experts said that it is possible to use cell phones with varying degrees of success during the ascent and descent of commercial airline flights.[118] Marvin Sirbu, professor of engineering and public policy at Carnegie Mellon University said on September 14, 2001, that "The fact of the matter is that cell phones can work in almost all phases of a commercial flight."[118]

According to the 9/11 Commission Report, 13 passengers from Flight 93 made a total of over 30 calls to both family and emergency personnel (twenty-two confirmed air phone calls, two confirmed cell phone and eight not specified in the report). According to Debunk911myths.org, all but two calls from Flight 93 were made on air phones, not cell phones, and both calls lasted about a minute before being dropped.[119] Brenda Raney, Verizon Wireless spokesperson, said that Flight 93 was supported by several cell sites.[117] There were reportedly three phone calls from Flight 11, five from Flight 175, and three calls from Flight 77. Two calls from these flights were recorded, placed by flight attendants Madeleine Sweeney and Betty Ong on Flight 11.


and again....
Marvin Sirbu, professor of engineering and public policy at Carnegie Mellon University said on September 14, 2001, that "The fact of the matter is that cell phones can work in almost all phases of a commercial flight

i forgot! an unemployed, ham operator, engineering technician wannabe named RJ is smarter than the Carnegie Mellon Engineering Professor!
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