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Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
May 4, 2010 - 12:10pm PT
It is really beyond anything we can imagine doing right now to travel to the nearest stars. But, wait 1000 years and the story will be different for sure.

For sure, it will. One way or another.
Flashy P

climber
Sparks, NV
May 4, 2010 - 12:18pm PT
Here are two jello molds I used that were inspired by this awesome thread.

My woody is looking dab!
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
May 4, 2010 - 12:24pm PT
The physics of human interplanetary travel is daunting, but it appears that it would be feasible with current technology for humans to travel to Mars and to near Earth asteroids, at least.

The physics of human interstellar travel is insuperable, given our present and foreseeable technology, and understanding of the universe.

It's great fun reading science fiction, with all the wonderful ideas and technologies it talks about. But it's fiction.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
May 4, 2010 - 12:34pm PT
We wouldn't need to run away to the stars if we'd paid any attention to Thomas Malthus from the get-go.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
May 4, 2010 - 12:41pm PT
Quite a few folks here confuse fiction and fantasy with reality whatever the subject.
Flashy P

climber
Sparks, NV
May 4, 2010 - 01:36pm PT
I don't know what you mean by weeded out. Am I not welcome here? I thought I would be able to get some good information on creating plastic hand holds, because SuperTopo is where all the best climbers post.

Rock jock is a term we use in the gym a lot. Do you have a lot of experience with comp climbing? That is the kind of climbing I love, it's the hardest type of climbing and takes the most dedication.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
May 4, 2010 - 01:39pm PT
Flashy P, Flashy P look before you leap. You might want to do a little reading about alpine climbing before you talk about difficulty and dedication.
Flashy P

climber
Sparks, NV
May 4, 2010 - 01:49pm PT
You're right, I will. Do you have any mag recomendations? I read a lot of Urban Climber and RocktPunkt, RocktPunkt I only look at the pictures. There was a rad send in Tyrolia by Gunter Funchtengh last month.

You have to train so hard to be dab on the woody. It look like when you are going on snow climbs you need to camp out a lot, that would be fun. I don't think you need to train as hard as you do for comps though.
LithiumMetalman

Trad climber
cesspool central
May 4, 2010 - 01:50pm PT
Theories are, well just very well-educated opinions, right?

For the last 70 years we have roughly based our understanding of relativity off Einsteins General Theory of Relativity.

It's a theory describing gravity as a geometric property of space and time.

However, it does not fully connect or answer the fundamental question of how general relativity can be reconciled with the laws of quantum physics to produce a complete and self-consistent theory of quantum gravity

For the most part, most of Einstein's theory has been been confirmed via observation or experimentally, however it is not the only theory on relativity of gravity.

It is by far the simplest, yet most consistent.

Is it the complete picture? No. It is a well-educated and formulated opinion that is mostly correct


Another example. Let's take a look at:

Mass-energy equivalence (part or relativity):

which we famously know it as

E = mc2 where energy and mass are equivalent and transmutable.

Basically states that any given amount of mass is equivalent to a certain amount of energy, and vice versa.

E=mc2 also is a basis on the interaction of matter and nuclear processes.

However matter is poorly understood, we have only rough understanding.

E=mc2 only explains the origin of energy of nuclear processes, not the origin of the energy.

Regardless, Einstein was the first to establish this theory just as Newton was one of the first to establish the theory of Universal Law of Gravity


The point is not to say E=mc2 or general relativity is right or wrong, the point is to realize that great ideas and understanding is based off "well-educated opinions that help point us into the right direction"

Einstein tweaked, refined, and based his understanding of general relativity off Newtonian gravitational laws, Lorentz's transformation, etc. to come up with world defining equations.

But that's it folks, not an end-all, be-all answer, it's a "guiding point in the right direction" a basis to be expounded upon, explored, refine, and if need be *gasp* changed

http://news.softpedia.com/news/The-First-Test-That-Proves-General-Theory-of-Relativity-Wrong-20259.shtml

Theories is how we learn and try to understand our world by refining, tweaking, digesting, regurgitating, incorporating ideas & most importantly imagining.

Imaginative well-educated opinions built upon other imaginative well-educated opinions.


“If at first, the idea is not absurd, then there is no hope for it, we can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existing.” -Albert Einstein


Cheers






LithiumMetalman

Trad climber
cesspool central
May 4, 2010 - 01:57pm PT
Everyone is entitled to an opinion.

No matter how logical or how illogical it is.

I think both are needed or else we're stagnant.
Flashy P

climber
Sparks, NV
May 4, 2010 - 01:58pm PT
RokJox, thanks for your post. I knew you must be a comp climber. Maybe I'll try to comp in the Pocatello Pump next year, is the prize money good?

Have you ever won a comp before? You sound experienced. Will you tell me what holds are the best to train on for the Pocatello Pump? Do they use a certain brand or do they make their own plastic handholds?

I'm in a 4 day a week training cycle right now, I do Pilates and weights on the days off. I got a new creatine shake that is really bulikg my laterals up but may be giving me too much calf muscle. I measured them last week and they are 1/4 inch bigger this week.

You really do have to train much harder to comp than to climb outside, and the rope skills you need are way more serious.
scuffy b

climber
Where only the cracks are dry
May 4, 2010 - 02:09pm PT
Weld_it,


you really must control your enthusiasm for natural plastic holds.
Leave that for Jongy and Flashy P.
You must not dilute your essence, so to speak.
Remember, school is almost out.
Concentrate on improving your shunts, so you and Lost Arrow can go up on
El Cap and Kick Some Asss.

Remember this mantra:

Welders Are Rad
Flashy P

climber
Sparks, NV
May 4, 2010 - 02:10pm PT
Some comp names are real funny. The Ein Fahrtung at Huchster Palak in Dresden is really funny. They use homemade hold holds molded from local climbs, then recreate the exact climb indoors. Good prize money, scoring Euros is way more dabbed than dollars, it's 3 for one. I paid for almost half my airfair last year with my second place win.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
May 4, 2010 - 02:36pm PT
That was ONE LUCKY KID!

Hah, old enuf to recall Pan Am at Idlewild!
And when Connie's and Electra's were the cool thing before that. Never flew those but I could still spot one in a flash, head's full of clutter like that.

But that 737 last month, I know it's just an econoboxed 707 in its heart.
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Topic Author's Reply - May 4, 2010 - 02:51pm PT
HFCS,

Lay off the corn syrup.

Man what a rant.


Perhaps you would like to rant about Sir Isaac Newton writing and having the following book published after his death. He didn't want to hear the rantings of someone like you. Step out of the box and take a chance. Doing so leads to discovery. Go ahead and ridicule Sir Isaac. I dare you.


Been on my Amazon.com wish list for some time. Haven't read it yet but I certainly intend to. Don't give me those weak arguments about how he had to believe because everyone else did around him.

No Sir Isaac thought for himself.

Observations Upon the Prophecies of Daniel and the Apocalypse of St. John [Paperback]
Isaac Newton (Author)
http://www.amazon.com/Observations-Upon-Prophecies-Daniel-Apocalypse/dp/1449599699/ref=wl_it_dp_o?ie=UTF8&coliid=I3E6WC5ZCI13FO&colid=2GL3DFQ4AXH2G

This is the same book in which he predicts the end of the World to occur in 2060 AD.

Flashy P

climber
Sparks, NV
May 4, 2010 - 02:59pm PT
RokJox sounds dedicated and driven. My bud Doughboy is the dabbest comper I know. He's under 3% body fat, I've seen him go2 days without eating, then carb load and caffeine binge,then crush at a comp.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
May 4, 2010 - 03:05pm PT
This thread is about spacemen!

We're all spacemen on this bus.
Flashy P

climber
Sparks, NV
May 4, 2010 - 03:45pm PT
I like to show up at local comps and crush, it helps the climbers who live there realize that they need to dedicate more to the sport if they really want to succeed. 30% body fat is a lot RokJox, your Doctor must have measured you wrong, because that would make you obese, and there is no way that you could win the Pocatello comp if you were fat!
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
May 4, 2010 - 03:46pm PT
I'd say the question is whether comps eventually get you off the planet, ground under the next glacier, or consumed by an uber CA-MRSA. Also not sure if placing high is really a case of advancing the species.
Flashy P

climber
Sparks, NV
May 4, 2010 - 03:51pm PT
I'm not sure I understand. As far as the evolution of climbing goes, I bet in another 100 years that everyone will climb indoors because the outdoor cliffs just won't be hard enough anymore, and people will still be dabbing huge.

But what about making plastic holds? There has to be someone with a good recipe out there. I just tried to bolt on my new kitty litter holds and they crumbled when I drilled them. Should I use epoxy? That might be slick and it has not natural ingredients in it.
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