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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Mar 23, 2010 - 12:11am PT
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Yes they only care about your tax money because they all get a % of the take. Keep droppin knowledge bluering.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Mar 23, 2010 - 12:16am PT
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Yes they only care about your tax money because they all get a % of the take. Keep droppin knowledge bluering.
Yeah, man, so we should just take their tax-money, man!!!!'
Power to the people!!!! Those stupid middle class should pay too! YeAH!!!!
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Boulder, CO
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Mar 23, 2010 - 12:19am PT
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Blue is a physical looking hippie with a chicken hawk/neocon mind. Not a good mix!
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dirtbag
climber
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Mar 23, 2010 - 12:24am PT
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Mar 23, 2010 - 12:31am PT
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So I'd be better to look like you AND sound like you, Bob? You're not making a very good case for your part, fool. Take a page out of Wes's book, at least he's somewhat intelligent in his arguments...
You're making little sense. Re-evaluate....
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dirtbag
climber
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Mar 23, 2010 - 12:33am PT
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Bluering, take a deeeeeeeeeeep breath, close your eyes...
inhale, exhale, inhale, exhale...
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dirtbag
climber
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Mar 23, 2010 - 12:34am PT
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and if that doesn't work...
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Mar 23, 2010 - 12:57am PT
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The best part about Wes' image is the shorts all bunched up around the crotch. High density, that area be.
And dirtbag, you are a bad bad man, posting pictures of your daughter like that.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Mar 23, 2010 - 12:58am PT
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Just found out thats a looping gif. Only six minutes to realize that.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Mar 23, 2010 - 01:00am PT
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and one for the ladies
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dirtbag
climber
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Mar 23, 2010 - 01:09am PT
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Just found out thats a looping gif. Only six minutes to realize that.
I could watch it for hours!
I'm a simple man.
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
Sprocketville
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Mar 23, 2010 - 01:20am PT
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now this health bill does not have to be perfect.
this is where everybody gets messed up.
lets say you sit down to a really brutal physics exam,
i mean, not one problem out of ten is a gimme. every one a bear.
what do you do? you just start writing.
then, the answers will start to be found.
but if you do nothing, it's an automatic F.
so this health bill is the same way. just try something. anything.
if it does not work perfect, you can tweak it.
but to do nothing, at the current rate of personal bankruptcies,
it's like an out of control greed cycle, a circle of greed that feeds on itself, like a private monopoly that makes it's own rules.
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gunsmoke
Trad climber
Clackamas, Oregon
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Mar 23, 2010 - 01:35am PT
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Saw my dentist today, who has one of the most respected practices in my state. He didn't read the bill last weekend (like, who has?), but is of the impression that non-emergency dental is care is not covered. What gives? Is basic dental care not a right? My daughter is going to be teased mercilessly for two really crooked front teeth? Is this less important than ED?
Hey, what about a breadwinner who becomes disabled or dies? Who's going to pay the mortgage? When the loan defaults, we all pay. Why isn't disability insurance mandated for home owners?
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Matt
Trad climber
primordial soup
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Mar 23, 2010 - 01:37am PT
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gdavis-
you might have kept it to yourself that you have tha saved on your hard drive
spock-
it's very true- it will be MUCH easier to amend this bill (law) in the future than it has been to pass it, or than it will be to repeal it.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Mar 23, 2010 - 01:44am PT
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Holy crap I finally got around to reading that David Frum column posted in the other thread. This needs to be pasted over and over and over again:
"Could a deal have been reached? Who knows? But we do know that the gap between this plan and traditional Republican ideas is not very big. The Obama plan has a broad family resemblance to Mitt Romney's Massachusetts plan. It builds on ideas developed at the Heritage Foundation in the early 1990s that formed the basis for Republican counter-proposals to Clintoncare in 1993-1994."
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/03/22-2
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tarek
climber
berkeley
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Mar 23, 2010 - 02:05am PT
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Anyone celebrating this because it's a "victory" over Republicans is a partisan hack who likely knows next to zero about the bill (or if you do, you lobby for the health insurance industry for pay, instead of for free). Here's what Physicians for a National Health Program had to say about this bill (my bold):
"As much as we would like to join the celebration of the House's passage of the health bill last night, in good conscience we cannot. We take no comfort in seeing aspirin dispensed for the treatment of cancer.
Instead of eliminating the root of the problem - the profit-driven, private health insurance industry - this costly new legislation will enrich and further entrench these firms. The bill would require millions of Americans to buy private insurers' defective products, and turn over to them vast amounts of public money.
The hype surrounding the new health bill is belied by the facts:
* About 23 million people will remain uninsured nine years out. That figure translates into an estimated 23,000 unnecessary deaths annually and an incalculable toll of suffering.
* Millions of middle-income people will be pressured to buy commercial health insurance policies costing up to 9.5 percent of their income but covering an average of only 70 percent of their medical expenses, potentially leaving them vulnerable to financial ruin if they become seriously ill. Many will find such policies too expensive to afford or, if they do buy them, too expensive to use because of the high co-pays and deductibles.
* Insurance firms will be handed at least $447 billion in taxpayer money to subsidize the purchase of their shoddy products. This money will enhance their financial and political power, and with it their ability to block future reform.
* The bill will drain about $40 billion from Medicare payments to safety-net hospitals, threatening the care of the tens of millions who will remain uninsured.**
* People with employer-based coverage will be locked into their plan's limited network of providers, face ever-rising costs and erosion of their health benefits. Many, even most, will eventually face steep taxes on their benefits as the cost of insurance grows.
* Health care costs will continue to skyrocket, as the experience with the Massachusetts plan (after which this bill is patterned) amply demonstrates.
* The much-vaunted insurance regulations - e.g. ending denials on the basis of pre-existing conditions - are riddled with loopholes, thanks to the central role that insurers played in crafting the legislation. Older people can be charged up to three times more than their younger counterparts, and large companies with a predominantly female workforce can be charged higher gender-based rates at least until 2017.
* Women's reproductive rights will be further eroded, thanks to the burdensome segregation of insurance funds for abortion and for all other medical services.
It didn't have to be like this. Whatever salutary measures are contained in this bill, e.g. additional funding for community health centers, could have been enacted on a stand-alone basis.
Similarly, the expansion of Medicaid - a woefully underfunded program that provides substandard care for the poor - could have been done separately, along with an increase in federal appropriations to upgrade its quality.
But instead the Congress and the Obama administration have saddled Americans with an expensive package of onerous individual mandates, new taxes on workers' health plans, countless sweetheart deals with the insurers and Big Pharma, and a perpetuation of the fragmented, dysfunctional, and unsustainable system that is taking such a heavy toll on our health and economy today."
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Mar 23, 2010 - 02:08am PT
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If you think this one is bad Matt, you should see the one I have of your mom giving the bus driver a boingo johnny.
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Matt
Trad climber
primordial soup
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Mar 23, 2010 - 02:29am PT
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gdavis wrote:
If you think this one is bad Matt, you should see the one I have of your mom giving the bus driver a boingo johnny.
i suppose that might be 1/2 way funny (in a juvenile and insensitive way that most people would just shrug off but is still pretty disrespectful, to say the least) if my mom had not suffered through an all to short battle w/ pancreatic cancer a few years ago.
so to quote the great eddie murphy:
haha- very funny mother f*#ker
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Mar 23, 2010 - 02:31am PT
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Its OK, I'll delete it off my hard drive. But what will you do with your copy?
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Matt
Trad climber
primordial soup
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Mar 23, 2010 - 02:33am PT
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gdavis wrote:
my gay uncle died of aids
which has what to do with you posting a guy shaking his wanker in a thong on ST?
i never said anything but that you might have kept it to yourself that you have that saved, anything else you simply inferred, true or not?
edit- nice edit
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